20 ga 1100 TSS

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Looking for advice. I have extensive experience loading TSS for the 12, but none with the 20. I have a buddy that wants me to load some TSS for his 2.75" 20 ga 1100. For those that have experience with the gun, what payload weight should I be looking at? I would like to load a 2.75" 1 5/8 oz load, just not sure if the gun can handle it. For those of you familiar with the gun, you will know that the 1100 has no bleeder valves or self regulating gas system like some newer guns. For a gun designed for no more than 1 1/8 oz loads, I am concerned that the 1 5/8 oz load will overgas and batter the action. Don't want to break his gun. Pretty sure it would handle a 1 3/8 oz load, but I would prefer to load a little heavier if the gun can take it. What say you? Thanks.
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Can’t give you a yes or no answer, but have wondered the same thing.
My LT-20 cycles 3/4, 7/8, and 1 ounce loads flawlessly.
I load tss/lead duplex loads for upland birds and lead for doves, never a problem.
Without any gas port regulation I am afraid to load anything heavier than that.
It’s the best naturally pointing gun I have ever owned and don’t want to hurt it.
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I’ll look for the old thread I posted about 1187’s
I think the answer is “it depends”

Maybe try some of the lighter loads. I think issues could develop from over gassing and even if you find a load that works, how close to the ragged edge without knowing it are you really getting. In other words, one load/lot of powder might work great and the next time you open a can of the same powder from a different lot you wind up being over gassed from the slight difference in the lot numbers on the powder.

I’ve gotten to where I test my shells before I shoot them when I open a new can of powder.
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Here’s one thread for issues.
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=12427&start=50
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Thanks for the links. I had read both of those before I posted the question about the 1100 shot charge weight after doing a search. Hopefully some more guys with 1100s will chime in with their experiences.
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In general with 1100 they are 3inch magnums or just 2.75 guns in the 12 and 20 ga's . The magnum always shot high brass loads and may or may not shoot lighter dove loads . If it is a magnum I'd say go for it if not it may be to much for it .
The 1100 has a smaller gas hole in the magnum version is the only change to the gas system I am aware of . And it is the first fix to a gas system for our sporting guns over the years . Just up size the gas port , most barrel work began with this . They became way less finicky !

Best option is go with a 1 3/8 oz load If it has chokes and let her rip that will do it way farther than any lead ever thought about .
As for me 1187 solved most all the 1100 problems .
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Hal has a 1 1/4 OZ. load that may be the ticket.
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Dtrkyman wrote: May 24th, 2022, 10:00 am Hal has a 1 1/4 OZ. load that may be the ticket.
Hoping to go a little heavier than that, but yes, that would work fine, and not stress the gun.
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If it were me loading 1.25oz, I would consider trying 9.5 size shot to increase my pellet count. With the lighter load you may gaining enough velocity to offset the step down in shot size.
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Tommy’s Hot Rod load would be my recommendation. My daughter shoots it in my own variation. Also have a buddy that shoots it out of a light single shot.
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bcturkeynut wrote: May 25th, 2022, 8:52 pm If it were me loading 1.25oz, I would consider trying 9.5 size shot to increase my pellet count. With the lighter load you may gaining enough velocity to offset the step down in shot size.
Good idea about the 9.5s. The first 12 ga load I developed was a 1.25 oz load of 9s. Killed a turkey with it at 45 yds. It did just over 200/10" and was a 50 yd load. The 9.5s would fill out the pattern and have more than enough penetration to kill as far as I want to shoot, even at 1100 fps.
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Jstocks wrote: May 25th, 2022, 9:54 pm Tommy’s Hot Rod load would be my recommendation. My daughter shoots it in my own variation. Also have a buddy that shoots it out of a light single shot.
What's the payload on that one? For some reason, I was thinking that was a 1 3/8 oz 12 ga load.
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1 3/8 oz 20 gauge load

I know between my daughter, my buddy and his boys, turkey kills this year alone were 10 using that load.
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Same load that Apex sells as their Lt-20
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Thanks guys.
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Sir, honestly it would be easier to sell me the 1100 20 gauge and not worry about it anymore. I'm willing to do that for you !
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Pure speculation here, but what does the payload have to do with it? Wouldn't it be related to the pressures that the gun could handle?

I think I'd rather shoot a 1-5/8oz load at 10k psi out of it than a 1-3/8oz at 12k
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I agree, Shooter did state in an 4/24/17 post that the original Hot Rod load
was about 13k psi and that Apex was going to tone it down to 12k. I have never
fired one but have been told they do thump for a lighter load.
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spider316 wrote: May 26th, 2022, 3:35 pm Sir, honestly it would be easier to sell me the 1100 20 gauge and not worry about it anymore. I'm willing to do that for you !
What a prince. If it was my gun...sure, but it is my buddy's. I bet you would give him a couple hundred for it, right? :lol:
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patternfreak wrote: May 26th, 2022, 3:52 pm Pure speculation here, but what does the payload have to do with it? Wouldn't it be related to the pressures that the gun could handle?

I think I'd rather shoot a 1-5/8oz load at 10k psi out of it than a 1-3/8oz at 12k
Pressure is very important and I don't want to shoot something over pressure. Just saying that the gun was designed when 1 1/8 oz was the heaviest payload available. Our heavy for gauge TSS loads use large quantities of slow burning powders that can generate a lot of gas. Newer designed gas semi-autos usually have some sort of pressure relief designed into the gas system to vent off excess gas. The 1100 has no such feature. I could see breaking an action bar with an overgassed situation.
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I’d be more concerned about a shell ejecting while the powder is still combusting, and then blowing the side of the shell out by your arm/face.
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Jstocks wrote: May 26th, 2022, 10:16 pm I’d be more concerned about a shell ejecting while the powder is still combusting, and then blowing the side of the shell out by your arm/face.
Now there's a cheery thought. Yikes! :shock:
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In that case I would stick to a faster powder such as longshot to be sure. It burns quick and clean.

I'd be concerned with lil gun and a large payload
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The 1 7/16 oz load is pretty darn deadly if it would handle it.
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