28ga. double or auto
28ga. double or auto
want a light weight 28ga. gun. are there any problems using a double vs auto such as point of aim
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My experience has been that it is challenging to find many guns that shoot to the poi. Lot easier to fix the issue when the gun just has one barrel. If you are looking for gun that shoots where you aim it stick with auto loader and be prepared to add a sight of some sort
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Meant point of aim.
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In a word - yes.
The barrels on a double gun have to be regulated for the ammo for which the gun is intended. A lightweight sxs or o/u is gonna be regulated for light field loads. Put a 1.5 oz TSS load in it and it will shoot them to a different place. All that I have worked with were sxs guns, and what usually happens is the left barrel will shoot to the left and the right barrel to the right. With an o/u, the issue will be up/down.
The issue can be solved with a file, but expect to have to work on it. Good luck if you try. I use a 5 lb 6 oz sxs 20 gauge, but I spent a lot of time getting it to shoot straight.
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You can also send the barrels to Briley with pattern targets and they will cut you an eccentric choke to bring the POI of both barrels together. Total cost for mine was like $110 I think.
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SxS trouble. O/U OK 'cause it just hits low with low barrel. Still on neck. If you do an auto, the weight penalty make mean a 20ga isn't significantly heavier.
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The Mossberg SA28 is liteweight a absolute turkey killer
It’s worth buying
It’s worth buying
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Since people say each gun shoots different with different chokes. When using a double barrel should you also try one choke in each barrel to see which one it likes better?
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I have a couple of Beretta O/Us and have done a ton of patterning and testing. I have not found significant differences between the two barrels of either of them with regards to choke tubes. Both barrels shoot virtually the same.
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Can the Mossberg be drilled and tapped for scope?
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It can.. but you might want to get the meadowcreekmounts
That’s what I put on mine
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Doc Holiday is the go-to authority on the CZ Bobwhite 28 ga. double. He has tricked-out more than a handful for friends and family. Hopefully he will share his opinion and experiences. Gil
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Well...
I can give my experience. Start with the platform: CZ Bobwhite (20 or 28), Trulock or Briley chokes- one wide open and one tight, Skinner peep sight rear and Marbles or HiViz front depending on elevation needs. Left barrel sighted to 40- Do NOT try to make right barrel shoot “on” at 40-its your 15-25 yd barrel. T9 or9.5 in left and T 10 or Hevi9 in right) DO NOT DEVIATE FROM THIS PLATFORM.
Now, Preach and I agree to disagree. His experience is his and mine is mine. I have now set up 15 guns- 12 sxs and all have performed adequately. One O/U required filing per Preach’s instructions and I thank him for that. The only poi issues that I have heard about is when the platform is deviated from. Change manufacturer change platform. Try to make both barrels shoot to same spot at 40, change platform, etc
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We have killed ametric crapton of turkeys- well above 100 now pushing 150 using this platform. My children began using it at around 10 and are deadly with it.
I can give my experience. Start with the platform: CZ Bobwhite (20 or 28), Trulock or Briley chokes- one wide open and one tight, Skinner peep sight rear and Marbles or HiViz front depending on elevation needs. Left barrel sighted to 40- Do NOT try to make right barrel shoot “on” at 40-its your 15-25 yd barrel. T9 or9.5 in left and T 10 or Hevi9 in right) DO NOT DEVIATE FROM THIS PLATFORM.
Now, Preach and I agree to disagree. His experience is his and mine is mine. I have now set up 15 guns- 12 sxs and all have performed adequately. One O/U required filing per Preach’s instructions and I thank him for that. The only poi issues that I have heard about is when the platform is deviated from. Change manufacturer change platform. Try to make both barrels shoot to same spot at 40, change platform, etc
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We have killed ametric crapton of turkeys- well above 100 now pushing 150 using this platform. My children began using it at around 10 and are deadly with it.
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I’m using the 28 Bobwhite setup like Doc. He actually set this one up if memory serves.
I shoot T9’s 1.5 ounce in both barrels. Briley XF in left barrel and Trulock Skeet in the right barrel.
I’m good to 30 yards with the open barrel and too far in the tight...
I shoot T9’s 1.5 ounce in both barrels. Briley XF in left barrel and Trulock Skeet in the right barrel.
I’m good to 30 yards with the open barrel and too far in the tight...
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Doc, have you rigged out the newer version of the Bobwhite? Any significant differences? Gil
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Gil, I have not. It’ll be interesting to see if there are any changes.
BG: I did. At least it was setup to my specs by the person who bought the gun from me. It out shoots mine.
BG: I did. At least it was setup to my specs by the person who bought the gun from me. It out shoots mine.
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Yes, with lighter loads or if pushing the envelope. This is in reference to O/Us, not SxS.
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I’m shooting 1 5/8oz so I guess I’m pushing envelope
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Doc, we don't really disagree on anything related to the technicals; I just can't live with both my barrels not shooting to the same poi. I can see where setting one up the way you do would be much easier, but I was determined to make mine shoot to the same place. Both of them do, but both required work to do it.
I also agree on the gun you are using. I don't have a Bobwhite, but I have a CZ Uplander that is essentially the same gun, except it has a chrome finish and a pistol grip. The poi on turkey loads was very close on it, closer than any other gun I tried. But it weighs around 6-11, which is way more than they advertised. I never did set it up for turkey hunting.
I also agree on the gun you are using. I don't have a Bobwhite, but I have a CZ Uplander that is essentially the same gun, except it has a chrome finish and a pistol grip. The poi on turkey loads was very close on it, closer than any other gun I tried. But it weighs around 6-11, which is way more than they advertised. I never did set it up for turkey hunting.
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By pushing the envelope I meant distance or wanting impressive patterns. You get 500 pellets of tss going out the barrel and limit to normal distances, then thorough testing probably isn't necessary just to kill gobblers.
I have seen differences at distance because I tested past forty when first getting used to tss. And choke and barrel, in the Yildiz o/us we have, show significant variability with light loads trying to just reach forty.
I have seen differences at distance because I tested past forty when first getting used to tss. And choke and barrel, in the Yildiz o/us we have, show significant variability with light loads trying to just reach forty.
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Doc,
Is the sight dialed in for 40 yards, left barrel, in your top photo? Or, are you just patterning?
The 20 yard pattern looks more zeroed in than the top.
Your patterns are starting to relight the fire about tricking out my old CZ 28. I bought the Skinner Peep and the post to do so but ended up mounting them on my Yildiz TK12 single shot. I went to red dots a quarter century ago because Presbyopia made getting a proper sight picture with leaf and blade sights difficult due to the fuzzing out of the leaf sight making notch acquisition difficult. However with the Skinner peep, despite the ring fuzzing out, the center is clear and perfectly round making the centering of the fiber optic on the blade almost automatic due to the eyes' natural tendency. A buddy had a horrible experience opening weekend when he hunted his red dot in the pouring rain. He missed the same bird twice due to the emitter getting wet which distorted his red dot unusable. He didn't realize he should've left on the rain cover on the FFIII because it protects the emitter and allows the dot to be seen through the cover without distortion. He lived and learned. He ended up killing the bird the next trip out. Never have that issue with the Skinner/Marble combo. Gil
Is the sight dialed in for 40 yards, left barrel, in your top photo? Or, are you just patterning?
The 20 yard pattern looks more zeroed in than the top.
Your patterns are starting to relight the fire about tricking out my old CZ 28. I bought the Skinner Peep and the post to do so but ended up mounting them on my Yildiz TK12 single shot. I went to red dots a quarter century ago because Presbyopia made getting a proper sight picture with leaf and blade sights difficult due to the fuzzing out of the leaf sight making notch acquisition difficult. However with the Skinner peep, despite the ring fuzzing out, the center is clear and perfectly round making the centering of the fiber optic on the blade almost automatic due to the eyes' natural tendency. A buddy had a horrible experience opening weekend when he hunted his red dot in the pouring rain. He missed the same bird twice due to the emitter getting wet which distorted his red dot unusable. He didn't realize he should've left on the rain cover on the FFIII because it protects the emitter and allows the dot to be seen through the cover without distortion. He lived and learned. He ended up killing the bird the next trip out. Never have that issue with the Skinner/Marble combo. Gil
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Re: 28ga. double or auto
40 was a “sighting in” shot. Moved sight slightly and shot at 20 to make sure it was ok. My routine is 20 with lead-move sight . 40 with lead. Move sight. 40 with tss. Move sight-it’s usually very close. 20 with tss.
As to peeps. Been shooting on lever rifles for years. Incredibly accurate..They are perfect for aging eyes as you should fuzz out the peep. It’s why they’re called “ghost ring” sights. Both eyes open put front sight on target brain does the rest. Don’t out think the equipment.
As to peeps. Been shooting on lever rifles for years. Incredibly accurate..They are perfect for aging eyes as you should fuzz out the peep. It’s why they’re called “ghost ring” sights. Both eyes open put front sight on target brain does the rest. Don’t out think the equipment.
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Preach
Fair enough and well stated. And again, thank you for sharing the filing technique as I have put it to good use.
Fair enough and well stated. And again, thank you for sharing the filing technique as I have put it to good use.
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