410?
410?
I'll be honest in that I haven't turkey hunted since 2008, hanging them up after a death in the family. I sold my Turkey Slayer and BPS thinking I was done. The fires have rekindled and I'm looking for another gun. I was really leaning towards the new Browning BPS, this time in a 20 gauge maybe. Not sure if it is too light though. However, I keep seeing 410s talked about. Is this something new? Are they adequate. I'm 65 and a bit beat up and the idea of a lighter thump on these old bones sounds good but a 410? I thought I was going to be undergunned with a 20. Ideas?
Re: 410?
.410 requires a little more careful aim, but you won't give up anything else to a 12ga with lead shot. The ultralight ~3.5# .410s kick about like a 30/06. Heavier ones kick less.
If you handload TSS you can make gauge irrelevant.
If you handload TSS you can make gauge irrelevant.
Re: 410?
I have a H&R single shot 410 that’s a 40 to maybe 45 yard gun all day long. The recoil is very light although it is a little heavier than some of the other 410s out there it’s still lighter than any 12 and most 20’s. If you want less recoil you need a heavier gun to soak it up a little. Some of the really light ones I’ve shot have a little thump but nothing crazy.
Re: 410?
A 3.25 lb. .410 shooting a 7/8 oz. load at 1050 fps has a calculated recoil of 28 ft. lbs. A 5 lb. .410 shooting the same load is about 18 ft. lbs. of calculated recoil. A 20 ga. shooting 1 5/8 oz ( a common TSS load) has calculated recoil of approximately 42 ft. pounds. The lightest .410 shooting the heaviest load is mild in comparison to what folks are shooting out of 12 and 20 gauges, lead, Hevi or TSS loads. The report of a .410 sounds like a screen door slamming in the woods in comparison to other gauges. Gil
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Re: 410?
For a single shot and for the money its tough to beat the stevens 301 turkey its already got a rail mounted to the barrel for red dots and comes with an extended choke. Very solid gun for around 170 dollars and I really like mine.
Cant comment on the tristar viper G2 but I got one arriving tomorrow, finally found the pistol grip model in mossy oak I had been looking for. It gets great reviews also, will probably have to get a comp n choke to get good patterns from what I have heard.
Having just broke a shoulder I have jumped on the 410 bandwagon myself.
Cant comment on the tristar viper G2 but I got one arriving tomorrow, finally found the pistol grip model in mossy oak I had been looking for. It gets great reviews also, will probably have to get a comp n choke to get good patterns from what I have heard.
Having just broke a shoulder I have jumped on the 410 bandwagon myself.
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Re: 410?
Buy a mossberg 410 .....500. Out of the box with a full it will work just fine,slap on a red dot,ff,,,,,,,tss ,,,,,go hunt.
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Invector plus! for that matter standard invector is about as nice
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If you haven’t turkey hunted since 2008 you probably haven’t followed the advent of TSS. So yes, the legit .410 turkey gun is a relatively new development. If I was buying one gun to turkey hunt with, I’d go 20. But hunting with a .410 is a hell of a lot of fun.old dog wrote: ↑June 30th, 2019, 11:46 am I'll be honest in that I haven't turkey hunted since 2008, hanging them up after a death in the family. I sold my Turkey Slayer and BPS thinking I was done. The fires have rekindled and I'm looking for another gun. I was really leaning towards the new Browning BPS, this time in a 20 gauge maybe. Not sure if it is too light though. However, I keep seeing 410s talked about. Is this something new? Are they adequate. I'm 65 and a bit beat up and the idea of a lighter thump on these old bones sounds good but a 410? I thought I was going to be undergunned with a 20. Ideas?
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Thanks buddy! I see this gun out of all of my turkey guns being the one that I carry all the time as I get older! I’m 55 now, and don’t like getting the crap kicked out of me now. This gun has about the right weight, and balance for a .410. Between the wife, and I we have seven .410 turkey guns, and this one has everything I need in a turkey gun. I try not to shoot a gobbler over 40 yards, but this one will go to 55 yards, and stay around 100 in the 10” with tss 9.5 shot.
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That was to be my next question. TSS? Obviously a newer shotshell? What little I've read about them, they seem to have brought turkey hunting to the next level. I like the idea of a 20 gauge also. I remember my buds went to 10 gauges back in the 90s and I thought overkill. Older and wiser now, I want to feel as good walking out of the springs woods as I did walking in. lolSouthern Sportsman wrote: ↑July 1st, 2019, 2:10 amIf you haven’t turkey hunted since 2008 you probably haven’t followed the advent of TSS. So yes, the legit .410 turkey gun is a relatively new development. If I was buying one gun to turkey hunt with, I’d go 20. But hunting with a .410 is a hell of a lot of fun.old dog wrote: ↑June 30th, 2019, 11:46 am I'll be honest in that I haven't turkey hunted since 2008, hanging them up after a death in the family. I sold my Turkey Slayer and BPS thinking I was done. The fires have rekindled and I'm looking for another gun. I was really leaning towards the new Browning BPS, this time in a 20 gauge maybe. Not sure if it is too light though. However, I keep seeing 410s talked about. Is this something new? Are they adequate. I'm 65 and a bit beat up and the idea of a lighter thump on these old bones sounds good but a 410? I thought I was going to be undergunned with a 20. Ideas?
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Yep. TSS refers to the shot material, which is high density (18g/cc or grams per cubic centimeter) tungsten. You’ll have some sticker shock when you see the prices, but pretty much everyone here will confirm it’s worth it. Especially to facilitate hunting with a smaller gauge gun. The higher density allows you to shoot much smaller shot sizes (9s, 9 1/2s, or even 10 shot in a .410). Those pellets will still be lethal well past turkey distances (9s are lethal out to ~75 yards), but because they are so small you can fit a ton of them in a shell. (360+ per oz of 9s). So your payload actually has more pellets than a traditional lead load from a 12 gauge or 10 gauge.old dog wrote: ↑July 1st, 2019, 6:58 amThat was to be my next question. TSS? Obviously a newer shotshell? What little I've read about them, they seem to have brought turkey hunting to the next level. I like the idea of a 20 gauge also. I remember my buds went to 10 gauges back in the 90s and I thought overkill. Older and wiser now, I want to feel as good walking out of the springs woods as I did walking in. lolSouthern Sportsman wrote: ↑July 1st, 2019, 2:10 amIf you haven’t turkey hunted since 2008 you probably haven’t followed the advent of TSS. So yes, the legit .410 turkey gun is a relatively new development. If I was buying one gun to turkey hunt with, I’d go 20. But hunting with a .410 is a hell of a lot of fun.old dog wrote: ↑June 30th, 2019, 11:46 am I'll be honest in that I haven't turkey hunted since 2008, hanging them up after a death in the family. I sold my Turkey Slayer and BPS thinking I was done. The fires have rekindled and I'm looking for another gun. I was really leaning towards the new Browning BPS, this time in a 20 gauge maybe. Not sure if it is too light though. However, I keep seeing 410s talked about. Is this something new? Are they adequate. I'm 65 and a bit beat up and the idea of a lighter thump on these old bones sounds good but a 410? I thought I was going to be undergunned with a 20. Ideas?
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Re: 410?
As far as 20 gauge goes, a lot of hunters have gone with youth models for size and weight. A Mossy Super Bantam in 20 ga. is 5.25 lbs, comes camoed with sling mounts and drilled and tapped for optics. The most popular choice seems to be the 870. It's heavier than the Super Bantam. As for autos, there are choices that won't break the bank and are relatively light. As for pumps, you can buy both a 20 and .410 Mossy for between a third and a half of what a new SBE costs in 12. Most of us here that use TSS started handloading as it was the only way to obtain the ammo. Take a look at the "stickies" in the handloading section and there is a set of tutorials on handloading. There are several sellers of the shot who will provide tested recipes or you can buy loaded shells from several sources. You don't have to reinvent the wheel. In 20 ga., a popular load is 1 5/8 oz although some like more shot, others less shot. In .410, 13/16 to 7/8 oz. are the two common payloads. While some folks are content to shoot off the bead, others prefer red dots. Aged eyeballs (mine) suffer from being near sighted and have difficulty in low light with rifle sights or beads. The patterns are tight and precision aiming is necessary. Red dots cure a lot of ills. The most popular red dot is the Burris Fast Fire III. I bought one delivered last month for $184 for a project gun. NIB and guaranteed by Burris for life. Burris's reputation for customer service is legendary. If you are thinking of next season, now is the time to do so. You are asking the right questions. The closer next season approaches, equipment and resources dry-up during the pre-season scramble to get ready.
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Re: 410?
The tungsten shells have really increased the options for turkey hunters since you last hunted them. If you want the 20 gauge BPS for purposes other than turkey hunting, you can load your own shells down to whatever level you want. A one ounce 20 gauge load in the BPS would be very low recoil, but still plenty effective. You can make almost any shotgun into an effective turkey gun these days, so buy whatever gun you want and then use the appropriate shells for your purpose. Good luck choosing.
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One issue I have found with the .410 is that some places still don’t allow them for turkeys. Fortunately TN allows them in general, but two of my favorite public areas in TN still have specific regulating requiring 20 gauge or larger.
Keep that in mind while mulling your options.
Keep that in mind while mulling your options.
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I'd like to thank everyone for their input. Sure helped an old guy who fell behind years ago. I cannot believe how much has changed since 08. Chances are I will end up with a 20 gauge BPS just in case I decide to hunt small game again also. Thanks again to all.
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The BPS 20 ga. could be the heaviest 20 ga. pump made. The current Ithaca TurkeySlayer 20 is also heavy, about the same weight. The BPS specs for field, wooden stock, states 7 lbs. 1 oz or the same weight as a Benelli SBE or 870 SuperMag both in 12. For my purposes, buying a gun that carries like a 12 and shoots like a 20 isn't in my future. YMMV.
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My ithaca 12 weights 7.1 with a sling. Not overly heavyGLS wrote: ↑July 1st, 2019, 6:37 pm The BPS 20 ga. could be the heaviest 20 ga. pump made. The current Ithaca TurkeySlayer 20 is also heavy, about the same weight. The BPS specs for field, wooden stock, states 7 lbs. 1 oz or the same weight as a Benelli SBE or 870 SuperMag both in 12. For my purposes, buying a gun that carries like a 12 and shoots like a 20 isn't in my future. YMMV.