.410 recommendation

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.410 recommendation

Post by Skimerhorn » May 8th, 2019, 9:09 am

I want to get a .410 and set it up for Turkey. Any recommendations on what to use? I thought about the 301 but I think I'd rather have a pump or auto. What are you guys that shoot. 410 using?

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Re: .410 recommendation

Post by Jstocks » May 8th, 2019, 9:33 am

I have an o/u I’m setting up.

I like the tr imports auto.

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Re: .410 recommendation

Post by kythunter » May 8th, 2019, 9:38 am

Good question. This was my first year using a .410 and I went with the 301 with hand loads. The gun is simple and it works. I like the break open action. If I were to buy another 410 it would probably be an O/U or SXS maybe a pump.
Just my opinion but 410 shells seem to be a little more fragile than bigger gauges. Less bouncing around the better for these little guys, that's why I like the 301 and O/U. I haven't had any problems with powder migration but some have. To me an auto would have to much movement and cycling hand loads could be an issue since 410 hand loads are long.
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Re: .410 recommendation

Post by Southern Sportsman » May 8th, 2019, 9:39 am

I’m shooting a High Standard Flite King k111. Not very common but also not very expensive. It’s a very basic pump gun, but I have really enjoyed it. They come up on gun auction sites now and then.
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Re: .410 recommendation

Post by hoobilly » May 8th, 2019, 10:49 am

I love how the 870 410 pumps feel. not too lite for me

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Re: .410 recommendation

Post by Skimerhorn » May 8th, 2019, 11:33 am

hoobilly wrote:
May 8th, 2019, 10:49 am
I love how the 870 410 pumps feel. not too lite for me
I haven't been able to find one of them

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Re: .410 recommendation

Post by hoobilly » May 8th, 2019, 11:35 am

Skimerhorn wrote:
May 8th, 2019, 11:33 am
hoobilly wrote:
May 8th, 2019, 10:49 am
I love how the 870 410 pumps feel. not too lite for me
I haven't been able to find one of them
I’m buying a brand new one for $459 out the door from my local dealer

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Re: .410 recommendation

Post by kythunter » May 8th, 2019, 11:49 am

hoobilly wrote:
May 8th, 2019, 11:35 am
Skimerhorn wrote:
May 8th, 2019, 11:33 am
hoobilly wrote:
May 8th, 2019, 10:49 am
I love how the 870 410 pumps feel. not too lite for me
I haven't been able to find one of them
I’m buying a brand new one for $459 out the door from my local dealer
Fixed choke or multi choke? I've seen both and I think the express has factory full and wingmaster has multi choke.

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Re: .410 recommendation

Post by kythunter » May 8th, 2019, 11:49 am

kythunter wrote:
May 8th, 2019, 11:49 am
hoobilly wrote:
May 8th, 2019, 11:35 am
Skimerhorn wrote:
May 8th, 2019, 11:33 am


I haven't been able to find one of them
I’m buying a brand new one for $459 out the door from my local dealer
Fixed choke or multi choke? I've seen both and I think the express has fixed factory full and wingmaster has multi choke.

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Re: .410 recommendation

Post by VALongbeard » May 8th, 2019, 1:05 pm

I love my 870 express .410. It has done very well for me. Not the lightest rig in the world, but I like it!

Express comes with a fixed full choke.
Wingmasters comes with a fixed modified. Only 410 Remington offers with screw in chokes is a 1100.

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Re: .410 recommendation

Post by howl » May 8th, 2019, 3:45 pm

There ain't but one worth fooling with. Anything heavier and you might as well get a 28 or 20.
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Re: .410 recommendation

Post by Swampchickin234 » May 8th, 2019, 7:31 pm

VALongbeard wrote:I love my 870 express .410. It has done very well for me. Not the lightest rig in the world, but I like it!

Express comes with a fixed full choke.
Wingmasters comes with a fixed modified. Only 410 Remington offers with screw in chokes is a 1100.
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Re: .410 recommendation

Post by Hunt4spurs87 » May 11th, 2019, 1:25 pm

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Re: .410 recommendation

Post by hoobilly » May 11th, 2019, 1:42 pm

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Patterns of the 410 with the Apex???

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Re: .410 recommendation

Post by huntinsomd » May 11th, 2019, 1:54 pm

I just ordered a Tristar Viper G2 .410. Can't wait to test it out in the turkey woods!

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Re: .410 recommendation

Post by GLS » May 11th, 2019, 8:31 pm

Hunts4spurs87,
Like to hear from you why you love a .410 that weighs 7 lbs. My 870 SuperMag in 12 weighs 7 lbs. 1 oz. My 20 ga. single-shot is "tubby" at 5 lbs. 7 oz. tricked out and my Yildiz single-shot .410 tops out at a hair over 3 lbs., 3 oz. rigged. Gil

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Re: .410 recommendation

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Hoobilly, I sent you a PM

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Re: .410 recommendation

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Re: .410 recommendation

Post by turkyjoe » May 13th, 2019, 6:52 pm

Love my tri star viper
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Re: .410 recommendation

Post by Skimerhorn » May 13th, 2019, 8:44 pm

turkyjoe wrote:
May 13th, 2019, 6:52 pm
Love my tri star viper
I've looked online and cant find the tri star with the pistol grip?

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Re: .410 recommendation

Post by turkyjoe » May 14th, 2019, 5:02 am

They where a limited edition only 100 made .

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Re: .410 recommendation

Post by Hunt4spurs87 » May 14th, 2019, 6:10 am

GLS wrote:Hunts4spurs87,
Like to hear from you why you love a .410 that weighs 7 lbs. My 870 SuperMag in 12 weighs 7 lbs. 1 oz. My 20 ga. single-shot is "tubby" at 5 lbs. 7 oz. tricked out and my Yildiz single-shot .410 tops out at a hair over 3 lbs., 3 oz. rigged. Gil
I love the BPS because it’s an extremely high quality pump, with absolutely zero recoil, especially for a woman. And it’s one of the only pump .410s that is threaded for chokes.


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Re: .410 recommendation

Post by Hunt4spurs87 » May 14th, 2019, 6:15 am

GLS wrote:Hunts4spurs87,
Like to hear from you why you love a .410 that weighs 7 lbs. My 870 SuperMag in 12 weighs 7 lbs. 1 oz. My 20 ga. single-shot is "tubby" at 5 lbs. 7 oz. tricked out and my Yildiz single-shot .410 tops out at a hair over 3 lbs., 3 oz. rigged. Gil
It’s not all about weight in my eyes, and I’ve never been crazy about Remington pumps but that’s my opinion to each there own. Can’t compare a 650.00 bps medallion pump to any of those 3 not knocking your guns but you purely comparing weight.


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Re: .410 recommendation

Post by GLS » May 14th, 2019, 5:29 pm

Hunt4spurs87 wrote:
May 14th, 2019, 6:15 am
GLS wrote:Hunts4spurs87,
Like to hear from you why you love a .410 that weighs 7 lbs. My 870 SuperMag in 12 weighs 7 lbs. 1 oz. My 20 ga. single-shot is "tubby" at 5 lbs. 7 oz. tricked out and my Yildiz single-shot .410 tops out at a hair over 3 lbs., 3 oz. rigged. Gil
It’s not all about weight in my eyes, and I’ve never been crazy about Remington pumps but that’s my opinion to each there own. Can’t compare a 650.00 bps medallion pump to any of those 3 not knocking your guns but you purely comparing weight.


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It is true that none of the three guns I mentioned cost $650 and the combined costs of all three only exceeded the bps by a $100 maybe. But how much a gun costs, especially a turkey gun, is not how I value a turkey gun. Despite costing 5 times the Yildiz, the BPS .410 is not beyond compare with a .410 Yildiz. I value a turkey gun not on sticker price but on performance, ease of handling, simplicity of operation, reliability, ease of care and of carry. Weight is a big factor, too. My .410 with its Sumtoy choke will place 159 TSS 9.5's in the 10 ring at 40. It's overall length with a 25" barrel length inclusive of choke is 41". Because of the action of the BPS, its overall length will always be longer with barrels the same length as a break action single shot. The overall configuration of my .410 is more slender than a .410 pump. I can carry the gun with a full grip around the action with middle finger touching thumb. The metal work, barrel and action, of the Yildiz are corrosion resistant. The action is anodized aluminum. The barrel is satin chrome plated, not blued. I could be wrong, but the Medallion, is blued. I have plenty of pumps and have used pumps hunting turkeys, but I never liked the way a pump sits on my knee while waiting on a bird. A single shot sits on my knee better than the magazine's metal tube of a pump and it is far quieter in loading or unloading. So it's not just a matter of low weight that I feel adds value of use to my single shots. Yes, there is more felt recoil in a lighter gun than a heavier one shooting the same load. If It were simply a matter of higher cost and low weight as sole considerations, then we'd be comparing my 6 lb. 28 gauge Ithaca M-37 at 6 lbs., my 1939 Ithaca M37 20 ga at 5 lbs., 12 oz., or my 1939 Remington M17 at 5 lbs., 14 oz., but I don't hunt turkeys with those despite having 2 more rounds ready to shoot because I prefer instead to what I believe to be the virtues of my single shots. OMMV. There is one indisputable certainty--a 20 ga. can be made to shoot a load equivalent to the maximum of a .410, but a .410 can never be made to shoot a load equivalent to the maximum of a 20 ga. Best, Gil

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Re: .410 recommendation

Post by Hunt4spurs87 » May 14th, 2019, 5:52 pm

GLS wrote:
Hunt4spurs87 wrote:
May 14th, 2019, 6:15 am
GLS wrote:Hunts4spurs87,
Like to hear from you why you love a .410 that weighs 7 lbs. My 870 SuperMag in 12 weighs 7 lbs. 1 oz. My 20 ga. single-shot is "tubby" at 5 lbs. 7 oz. tricked out and my Yildiz single-shot .410 tops out at a hair over 3 lbs., 3 oz. rigged. Gil
It’s not all about weight in my eyes, and I’ve never been crazy about Remington pumps but that’s my opinion to each there own. Can’t compare a 650.00 bps medallion pump to any of those 3 not knocking your guns but you purely comparing weight.


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It is true that none of the three guns I mentioned cost $650 and the combined costs of all three only exceeded the bps by a $100 maybe. But how much a gun costs, especially a turkey gun, is not how I value a turkey gun. Despite costing 5 times the Yildiz, the BPS .410 is not beyond compare with a .410 Yildiz. I value a turkey gun not on sticker price but on performance, ease of handling, simplicity of operation, reliability, ease of care and of carry. Weight is a big factor, too. My .410 with its Sumtoy choke will place 159 TSS 9.5's in the 10 ring at 40. It's overall length with a 25" barrel length inclusive of choke is 41". Because of the action of the BPS, its overall length will always be longer with barrels the same length as a break action single shot. The overall configuration of my .410 is more slender than a .410 pump. I can carry the gun with a full grip around the action with middle finger touching thumb. The metal work, barrel and action, of the Yildiz is corrosion resistant. The action is anodized aluminum. The barrel is satin chrome plated, not blued. I could be wrong, but the Medallion, is blued. I have plenty of pumps and have used pumps hunting turkeys, but I never liked the way a pump sits on my knee while waiting on a bird. A single shot sits on my knee better than the magazine's metal tube of a pump and it is far quieter in loading or unloading. So it's not just a matter of low weight that I feel adds value of use to my single shots. Yes, there is more felt recoil in a lighter gun than a heavier one shooting the same load. If It were simply a matter of higher cost and low weight as sole considerations, then we'd be comparing my 6 lb. 28 gauge Ithaca M-37 at 6 lbs., my 1939 Ithaca M37 20 ga at 5 lbs., 12 oz., or my 1939 Remington M17 at 5 lbs., 14 oz., but I don't hunt turkeys with those despite having 2 more rounds ready to shoot because I prefer instead to what I believe to be the virtues of my single shots. OMMV. There is one indisputable certainty--a 20 ga. can be made to shoot a load equivalent to the maximum of a .410, but a .410 can never be made to shoot a load equivalent to the maximum of a 20 ga. Best, Gil

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