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Smokeless Muzzleloader???

Post by hoobilly » December 9th, 2018, 12:56 pm

I have been talking to Darren Dhe (BigSpurs68) on smokeless muzzleloaders. I’m really liking the idea of not cleaning between shots.
The CVA Scout V2 45/70 in stainless is very appealing to me.

Anyone on here shoot smokeless in a 45/70 conversion???

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Re: Smokeless Muzzleloader???

Post by CamoMan4025 » December 9th, 2018, 1:03 pm

Muzzleloader without smoke is as bad as two boys kissing!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Smokeless Muzzleloader???

Post by hoobilly » December 9th, 2018, 2:15 pm

CamoMan4025 wrote:
December 9th, 2018, 1:03 pm
Muzzleloader without smoke is as bad as two boys kissing!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:pukeright: :pukeleft: :shock:

That ain’t right

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Re: Smokeless Muzzleloader???

Post by spider316 » December 9th, 2018, 3:53 pm

Savage been doing it for a while. I agree though, smoke or it didn't happen !

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Re: Smokeless Muzzleloader???

Post by RaspyD » December 9th, 2018, 5:39 pm

Have you looked into Blackhorn 209? I have gone 8-10 shots without cleaning in bewtween. Once you go Blackhorn you'll never go back.

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Re: Smokeless Muzzleloader???

Post by Turkinator » December 9th, 2018, 6:29 pm

RaspyD wrote:
December 9th, 2018, 5:39 pm
Have you looked into Blackhorn 209? I have gone 8-10 shots without cleaning in bewtween. Once you go Blackhorn you'll never go back.
Are you shooting loose BH? Care to share a good load for it? I shoot 250gr SSTs I'm shooting 150gr 777 now.

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Re: Smokeless Muzzleloader???

Post by CamoMan4025 » December 9th, 2018, 6:47 pm

RaspyD is a loose horn and I've heard his loads are dried up :cheers: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :cheers:
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Re: Smokeless Muzzleloader???

Post by Spuriosity » December 9th, 2018, 7:46 pm

Turkinator wrote:
December 9th, 2018, 6:29 pm
RaspyD wrote:
December 9th, 2018, 5:39 pm
Have you looked into Blackhorn 209? I have gone 8-10 shots without cleaning in bewtween. Once you go Blackhorn you'll never go back.
Are you shooting loose BH? Care to share a good load for it? I shoot 250gr SSTs I'm shooting 150gr 777 now.
Loose is the only way it comes...no pellets. I am intrigued with smokeless too, but of all the substitutes, BH is the clear winner hands down. Only drawback is cost.

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Re: Smokeless Muzzleloader???

Post by Turkinator » December 9th, 2018, 9:49 pm

MGM are supposed to make an Encore barrel that's a smokeless muzzel loader. I'm checking it out. What powders are they recommending?

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Re: Smokeless Muzzleloader???

Post by hoobilly » December 9th, 2018, 10:55 pm

Turkinator wrote:
December 9th, 2018, 9:49 pm
MGM are supposed to make an Encore barrel that's a smokeless muzzel loader. I'm checking it out. What powders are they recommending?
found a MGM 5/70 barrel for 450 bucks. If they already have a smokeless barrel set up I am all ears :thumbup:

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Re: Smokeless Muzzleloader???

Post by 2Shooter » December 10th, 2018, 5:02 am

Turkinator wrote:
December 9th, 2018, 9:49 pm
MGM are supposed to make an Encore barrel that's a smokeless muzzel loader. I'm checking it out. What powders are they recommending?
smokelessmuzzleloading.com they make a Encore smokeless muzzleloader barrel. $500

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Re: Smokeless Muzzleloader???

Post by RaspyD » December 10th, 2018, 6:50 am

Turkinator wrote:
December 9th, 2018, 6:29 pm
RaspyD wrote:
December 9th, 2018, 5:39 pm
Have you looked into Blackhorn 209? I have gone 8-10 shots without cleaning in bewtween. Once you go Blackhorn you'll never go back.
Are you shooting loose BH? Care to share a good load for it? I shoot 250gr SSTs I'm shooting 150gr 777 now.
Here is a link to the Blackhorn website http://www.blackhorn209.com/
They have a section on load data at the top of the page. As Spuriosity pointed out, Blackhorn is only available as a powder. I'm shooting 100 grains (by volume) with a Barnes T-EZ saboted bullet.

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Hankins' Break Action Smokeless Muzzleloaders

Post by Sloppy_Snood » December 10th, 2018, 7:46 am

Don't screw around Hoo'... Jeff Hankin's offers the best 45-70 conversion to smokeless muzzleloader on the market.

He ain't fast. He ain't cheap. ...but he ain't dead from a bad conversion either.


LINK (H&R 45-70 Conversion): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUXafHnmhQs

LINK (CVA 45-70 Conversion): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzj4w0qzIiM

LINK (TC Encore Conversion): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYR2kmXR5RY


BTW... even if you don't use Jeff, talk to him. He will give you more honest information than anyone in the business. Slopster approved. (LOL :roll: :lol: )
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Re: Smokeless Muzzleloader???

Post by Spuriosity » December 10th, 2018, 9:33 am

Turkinator wrote:
December 9th, 2018, 6:29 pm
RaspyD wrote:
December 9th, 2018, 5:39 pm
Have you looked into Blackhorn 209? I have gone 8-10 shots without cleaning in bewtween. Once you go Blackhorn you'll never go back.
Are you shooting loose BH? Care to share a good load for it? I shoot 250gr SSTs I'm shooting 150gr 777 now.
I shoot Barnes 290 T-EZs with 105 gr equiv. BH 209 for deer (73.5 gr actual). I bumped that up to 115 gr equiv (80.5 gr actual) for elk to get a little more energy and flatter trajectory out to 200 yds in my Rem 700 ML rifle.

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Re: Hankins' Break Action Smokeless Muzzleloaders

Post by hoobilly » December 10th, 2018, 12:37 pm

Sloppy_Snood wrote:
December 10th, 2018, 7:46 am
Don't screw around Hoo'... Jeff Hankin's offers the best 45-70 conversion to smokeless muzzleloader on the market.

He ain't fast. He ain't cheap. ...but he ain't dead from a bad conversion either.


LINK (H&R 45-70 Conversion): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUXafHnmhQs

LINK (CVA 45-70 Conversion): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzj4w0qzIiM

LINK (TC Encore Conversion): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYR2kmXR5RY


BTW... even if you don't use Jeff, talk to him. He will give you more honest information than anyone in the business. Slopster approved. (LOL :roll: :lol: )
I pass Jeff’s place in Dry Ridge Ky everytime I drive to go hunt down to our spot. I’m gonna have to buy me a CVA and do the conversion. Thought about it for the Encore but would rather have a dedicated leave it alone and not have to swap barrels on my encore

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Re: Smokeless Muzzleloader???

Post by ICDEDTURKES » December 10th, 2018, 1:17 pm

Here smokeless is illegal in muzzy season, not sure of you're regs.

My buddy has a real ultimate, not the rem one they got the plug for it's amazing. He shoots out to 400.

He says wanna shoot, I'm cringing 4 pellets, was not bad
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Re: Smokeless Muzzleloader???

Post by Swampstalk » December 10th, 2018, 1:58 pm

I've used BH 209 for several years in my TC Impact and my son in the TC Encore. We run 100gr with .50 TC Shock Wave 250gr Sabots. Still some smoke but it sure shoots cleaner and no problem with shots out to distance, beyond operator error!
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Re: Smokeless Muzzleloader???

Post by Sloppy_Snood » December 10th, 2018, 4:11 pm

You are simply not going to get the velocity of smokeless gunpowder out of BH209. Keep this in mind Hoo if you are concerned about 400+ yards ML shots on deer.
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Re: Smokeless Muzzleloader???

Post by hoobilly » December 10th, 2018, 9:41 pm

Sloppy_Snood wrote:
December 10th, 2018, 4:11 pm
You are simply not going to get the velocity of smokeless gunpowder out of BH209. Keep this in mind Hoo if you are concerned about 400+ yards ML shots on deer.
up here 2=300 is all I will ever need.

Hankins is 1.5 years behind. He is covered up with work. I need to call him and see if I am able to order everything and do the conversion myself.

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Re: Smokeless Muzzleloader???

Post by mrlongbeard » December 11th, 2018, 4:25 pm

I have 2 Encore 45/70 smokeless conversions done by Jeff Hankins. They shoot lights out, incredibly accurate. My second he did for me was back in my hands 5 days from when I shipped it. Can’t say enough about his work and professionalism.

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Re: Smokeless Muzzleloader???

Post by hoobilly » December 11th, 2018, 7:00 pm

mrlongbeard wrote:
December 11th, 2018, 4:25 pm
I have 2 Encore 45/70 smokeless conversions done by Jeff Hankins. They shoot lights out, incredibly accurate. My second he did for me was back in my hands 5 days from when I shipped it. Can’t say enough about his work and professionalism.
Any pictures? how long ago did you have them done?

how far have you tested?

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Re: Smokeless Muzzleloader???

Post by Sloppy_Snood » December 17th, 2018, 9:03 am

hoobilly wrote:
December 10th, 2018, 9:41 pm
up here 2=300 is all I will ever need.

Hankins is 1.5 years behind. He is covered up with work. I need to call him and see if I am able to order everything and do the conversion myself.
I'd wait 1 1/2 years for the Hankins then. I know all the players in the SML business now. And I can report that Hankins generally fixes the problems with the other SML builders.

BTW... I cannot imagine the Encore conversions taking Jeff much time at all. His major backlog is for high powered rifles and his .45 SML
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Re: Smokeless Muzzleloader???

Post by hoobilly » December 19th, 2018, 8:45 pm

Well I have a Bergara barrel 45/70 converted coming for my Encore. Got a good deal from a buddy. Looking forward to getting it and having it ready for next muzzleloader season. Will post up pictures and info after I get it and shot it some.

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Re: Smokeless Muzzleloader???

Post by Yule » December 24th, 2018, 10:51 am

Go to Dougs Message Board and watch the classified area. There are some good buys to be had. I shoot the 45 SML built on an old 700ML action.

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Re: Smokeless Muzzleloader???

Post by hoobilly » December 24th, 2018, 10:57 pm

Yule wrote:
December 24th, 2018, 10:51 am
Go to Dougs Message Board and watch the classified area. There are some good buys to be had. I shoot the 45 SML built on an old 700ML action.
great idea! hows your setup shoot???

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