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Federal muzzleloader bullets

Post by hoobilly » September 30th, 2017, 11:53 am

Has anyone tried these out yet?
Just picked up a pack

Will be a few weeks before I try them out
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Re: Federal muzzleloader bullets

Post by ICDEDTURKES » September 30th, 2017, 1:14 pm

Personally, Barnes and than everything else. I've only shot a muzzy for 7 or so years, as my primary deer weapon, ran the gamut of bullets. Only one I trust
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Re: Federal muzzleloader bullets

Post by hoobilly » September 30th, 2017, 1:38 pm

As you and I both know what shoots good on paper doesn’t always work well on deer.

I have yet to find the combo that shoots gooder with Barnes.
Was hoping that these will group good enough and help keep the note cleaner

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Re: Federal muzzleloader bullets

Post by DBLGBL » October 1st, 2017, 8:02 am

Hornady SSTs shoot well and perform well.

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Re: Federal muzzleloader bullets

Post by ICDEDTURKES » October 1st, 2017, 8:24 am

DBLGBL wrote:
October 1st, 2017, 8:02 am
Hornady SSTs shoot well and perform well.

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Re: Federal muzzleloader bullets

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Re: Federal muzzleloader bullets

Post by CamoMan4025 » October 1st, 2017, 10:22 am

I use T/C Shockwaves. They load good and shoot very well from my Omega. They perform very well on VA whitetails. I do limit my ML shots to 100-120 yards. I am not interested in shooting any further. I've learned over the years if something works well and performs well.........just stick with it!
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Post by HunterGKS » October 1st, 2017, 11:42 am

CamoMan4025 wrote:
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I've learned over the years if something works well and performs well.........just stick with it!
Don't post that in any of the TSS strings. :stir: :LMAO:
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Re: Federal muzzleloader bullets

Post by VALongbeard » October 1st, 2017, 3:43 pm

I would cast another vote for Barnes bullets. They have been by far the best muzzleloader bullet I have ever tried, especially the performance on game. I primarily hunt whitetail with these bullets, there has never not been a pass through for me, and I'm talking probably 40 to 45 deer killed with them.

One trick I have learned is if one sabot doesn't shoot well, call MMP sabots and ask what to try for good sabot to barrel fit. Also, try a heavier bullet sometimes, I tamed a wild T.C. Encore by going to a 300 grain from a 250 grain Barnes expander. Just like Icededturkes, Barnes all the way for me.....wont even try anything else.

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Re: Federal muzzleloader bullets

Post by ICDEDTURKES » October 1st, 2017, 5:33 pm

VALongbeard wrote:
October 1st, 2017, 3:43 pm
I would cast another vote for Barnes bullets. They have been by far the best muzzleloader bullet I have ever tried, especially the performance on game. I primarily hunt whitetail with these bullets, there has never not been a pass through for me, and I'm talking probably 40 to 45 deer killed with them.

One trick I have learned is if one sabot doesn't shoot well, call MMP sabots and ask what to try for good sabot to barrel fit. Also, try a heavier bullet sometimes, I tamed a wild T.C. Encore by going to a 300 grain from a 250 grain Barnes expander. Just like Icededturkes, Barnes all the way for me.....wont even try anything else.
Great advice on mmp!!!. I am shocked to have recovered one.

I love front stuffers, never in my life have I lost deer with a muzzy as we have snow during muzzy than when sal and I ran outta Barnes and went to Sst or shockwave, same bullets different package. Absolute garbage, if that's the only thing my gun would shoot I'd be on Craigslist. They shoot great but on game performance is a joke. I have more like the one recovered above with complete core jacket separation. Some may laugh I had better luck with powerbelts than sst/shockwave.

The xtp, fine bullets. Killed many with them. The Barnes Vortx are awesome too.
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Re: Federal muzzleloader bullets

Post by Sloppy_Snood » October 1st, 2017, 6:20 pm

If anyone can botch a bullet or load, Federal can be counted for on to lead the way.
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Re: Federal muzzleloader bullets

Post by hoobilly » October 1st, 2017, 6:44 pm

Sloppy_Snood wrote:
October 1st, 2017, 6:20 pm
If anyone can botch a bullet or load, Federal can be counted for on to lead the way.
so you think the Federal TSS load is going to be a hit or miss? :LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO:

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Re: Federal muzzleloader bullets

Post by DBLGBL » October 2nd, 2017, 7:45 am

Icdedturkes,

Sorry you guys had bad luck. I have never had problems with these bullets killing deer or leaving blood trails. Can't put a number on the total over the years but I know last year alone 9 met their demise with this bullet. Not shooting hot loads either. 110 grains 777. I have a bullet, I will weigh from a buck I took at 214 yards (lasered). It did not pass through, but put him down in his tracks. We will just have to agree to disagree on this.

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Re: Federal muzzleloader bullets

Post by drenalinld » October 2nd, 2017, 9:15 am

I will side with Tom on this one. I have killed at least 50 deer with ML bullets other than Barnes and have recovered about 98% of the ones I have hit but other than the ones I dropped on their hooves there was very little blood. About 8 years ago I switched to Barnes. No comparison. I will also agree if I had a ML that would not shoot Barnes bullets I would trade. The MMP sabot choices already suggested are the key if you cannot get good groups with the packaged sabots. I love hunting with ML's. I shoot a Rem 700 45 cal with modified bolt nose and aftermarket breech plug that closes breech allowing use of Blackhorn 209. 195 gr Barnes at 2,250 and it is good to 300 + yards. Have a Savage 10 MLII 50 cal that shoots smokeless powder. 295 gr tipped Barnes at about 2,300 fps and it is good well past 300 yards. Also have a Knight Wolverine 50 cal that will shoot ragged holes at 100 yards with the 250 gr XTP and 777 powder. I switched to the 250 gr Barnes. Not quite as tight on paper but SO devastating on deer. I hunt it in the woods and keep shots at 150 or less. Just picked up an Austin and Halleck 50 cal that has a bolt nose and breech conversion that shoots rifle primers loaded in adapters simulating 220 swift case bases. It will be getting one of the Barnes bullets and I expect it to be good for 300 + yards.

I have killed at least 20 with Barnes bullets now. There is just no comparison for blood trails. Other bullets leave blood trails occasionally. Barnes almost always leave them. They are second to none for quick kills in my opinion. I used to just expect no blood trail with a ML. The Barnes bullets changed all that. I have several hundred bullets of all varieties that will just not get shot now.

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Re: Federal muzzleloader bullets

Post by Jbird22 » October 2nd, 2017, 9:18 am

Check out Randy Wakeman on Youtube. He did some reviews on the Federal Trophy Copper ML bullet and they were positive if my memory serves me.

I personally shoot the Federal Trophy Copper (Barnes copy) in my .280's and can tell you that they're bad news on a deer. The expansion and weight retention are as good as you'll find. I've shot about 7 or 8 deer and 3 or 4 hogs with them thus far and all but two fell stone dead. All were pass throughs except for two I shot quartering hard to me. Here are the two I recovered:
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If the ML version performs like the rifle version you'll be set!

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Post by taylorjones20 » October 2nd, 2017, 2:18 pm

Hard to beat Barnes!

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Re: Federal muzzleloader bullets

Post by CamoMan4025 » October 2nd, 2017, 7:00 pm

:violent1: ICEDEDTURKES, VAlongbeard & DRENALINLD,

So here's the deal..........In my avatar is a big BADGE! What that means is I'm a moderator! Hoobilly has entrusted me to keep the peace around here and since you've disagreed with me and my TC Shockwaves, well them I'm gonna have to BAN you 3................O U T !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Federal muzzleloader bullets

Post by hoobilly » October 2nd, 2017, 8:05 pm

CamoMan4025 wrote:
October 2nd, 2017, 7:00 pm
:violent1: ICEDEDTURKES, VAlongbeard & DRENALINLD,

So here's the deal..........In my avatar is a big BADGE! What that means is I'm a moderator! Hoobilly has entrusted me to keep the peace around here and since you've disagreed with me and my TC Shockwaves, well them I'm gonna have to BAN you 3................O U T !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Federal muzzleloader bullets

Post by drenalinld » October 3rd, 2017, 7:10 am

you need to listen to us, friends do NOT let friends shoot shockwaves could only expect worse if you shoot powerbelts.....you can ban me but I am not turning in my prostaff eff two fiddy

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Re: Federal muzzleloader bullets

Post by ICDEDTURKES » October 3rd, 2017, 7:28 am

drenalinld wrote:
October 3rd, 2017, 7:10 am
you need to listen to us, friends do NOT let friends shoot shockwaves could only expect worse if you shoot powerbelts.....you can ban me but I am not turning in my prostaff eff two fiddy
Exactly, I've converted all my local friends :cheers:

But honestly Kevin if choose to stick with shockwave go to the bonded ones, teal tip
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Re: Federal muzzleloader bullets

Post by hoobilly » October 3rd, 2017, 7:40 am

ICDEDTURKES wrote:
October 3rd, 2017, 7:28 am
drenalinld wrote:
October 3rd, 2017, 7:10 am
you need to listen to us, friends do NOT let friends shoot shockwaves could only expect worse if you shoot powerbelts.....you can ban me but I am not turning in my prostaff eff two fiddy
Exactly, I've converted all my local friends :cheers:

But honestly Kevin if choose to stick with shockwave go to the bonded ones, teal tip
Bonded shockwaves!? I haven’t ever seen them for sale!

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Re: Federal muzzleloader bullets

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Re: Federal muzzleloader bullets

Post by hoobilly » October 3rd, 2017, 2:30 pm

Man those die hard shockwave shooters should jump on those.

I know I don’t trust them when I shot that 10 pointer years ago and had them fragment apart diagonally through that buck.

I think if that had been a barnes it would have folded up with one shot

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Re: Federal muzzleloader bullets

Post by hoobilly » October 3rd, 2017, 8:09 pm

DBLGBL wrote:
October 1st, 2017, 8:02 am
Hornady SSTs shoot well and perform well.

2Gbl
the Shockwaves SST Hornadys I used to shoot were the lighter grain bullets.

Shot extremely flat out to 300 yards like a laser.

But they fragmented on me personally. I shot a 2.5 year old 10 point at close range (20-25 yards) diagonally and he bolted

took out the rear of one lung and through liver guts and out the rear leg

at 170-200 yards quartering away from the other side my bullet entered in 1" from the others exit and into the front shoulder on the other side.

found both copper jackets, without much if any lead left in it. I found lead in both sides in the meat. I used to have the pictures etc but lost them years ago with a computer crash.

Thats when ICDED mention Barnes. Have shot them and a few other bullets. But the barnes were such great slug with the Federal Barnes Expander 20 ga load they had for years then discontinued. which sucks because they were flat out awesome shooting.

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Re: Federal muzzleloader bullets

Post by turkeyinstrut » October 3rd, 2017, 9:27 pm

Brice,

Just my .02 worth but about ten years ago my wife bought me a 50 cal. stainless Knight Disc Extreme for Christmas and I tried several (and I mean SEVERAL) different bullets and couldn't find anything that it would shoot well and then we were at Cabela's one day and they had some "Dead Center" bullets and I figgered I would give them a try, well to make a long story short they shot amazing and at 50 yards I can shoot through the same hole all day long......literally. the bullet is not jacketed and they do a tremendous job on deer. Cabela's no longer keeps them but I order them direct from the manufacturer, here is a link to them.

https://www.prbullet.com/shop/products. ... tegoryID=1

I shoot a 40 cal. 200 gr. bullet in my Knight and am VERY pleased with it, if you want me to send you 4 or 5 to try send me a msg.

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