Question for smoke pole shooters......

[chatterbox]

Hey guys!

I have an old T/C Scout that I have to shoot loose powder through due to it's ignition source being a #11 percussion cap.
I am currently using Jim Shokey's Gold, but am almost out, and cannot find anymore.
For those of using loose powder, what kind do you use? I will be looking to get something else, just wondering what the best kind is.

[vaturkey]

BLACK HORN 209 !! Good Stuff !

[devastator]

I use Goex 2ff in both my 50 and 58 thompson flintlocks.

[Shooter]

Before I stopped shooting Muzzy's, I had real good luck with Triple 7, in both burn rates, FF, and FFF.
I have heard good things about Blackhorn too though,... just never had the chance to try it.

[turkey_slayer]

He can't shoot blackhorn with a #11. I've shot it all but mostly used triple 7. Chatter which shockey powder are you using? My uncle probably has a few cases left in different types if you want any I will look.

[ICDEDTURKES]

Yeah blackhorn is the deal, now swabbing, hydroscopic.. But as said not with #11...

[Spuriosity]

I had good luck with loose 777 in my Rem 700 ML before I made the switch to BH 209. I much prefer the BH, but again, not for use with percussion caps.

[ICDEDTURKES]

I know pellets are not everyones favorite.. But I believe the orginal NON T7 pellets are compatible with #11 percussion caps..

[Southern Sportsman]

I shoot a T/C Omega with 777 and don't plan to change anytime soon. It is not as clean burning as BH209, but it shoots great in my gun. And as others have said, don't try BH209 with percussion caps.

[chatterbox]

Thanks for all the tips, guys!

[chatterbox]

Before I stopped shooting Muzzy's, I had real good luck with Triple 7, in both burn rates, FF, and FFF.
I have heard good things about Blackhorn too though,... just never had the chance to try it.

Tommy,

What do you think would work better in the scout, FF, or FFF?

[drenalinld]

I had good luck with loose 777 in my Rem 700 ML before I made the switch to BH 209. I much prefer the BH, but again, not for use with percussion caps.

Did you do a bolt nose conversion on your 700 ML to shoot BH?

[Shooter]

If it's a short barrel 50, you would have better results with the FFF.

[Spuriosity]

I had good luck with loose 777 in my Rem 700 ML before I made the switch to BH 209. I much prefer the BH, but again, not for use with percussion caps.

Did you do a bolt nose conversion on your 700 ML to shoot BH?

The gun had already been converted from caps to 209 primers when I got it, so I'm not sure what all mods were required for that. Obviously the nipple had been changed, not sure about the bolt nose. Wasn't getting consistent ignition with the Rem. birdcage style primer holder, so I replaced it with a unit from Muzzleloading Sales that fully encloses the primer. Still didn't get consistent ignition, even using Fed 209As or CCI 209Ms 'til I bored the flash hole out from .030" to .040". Now it goes bang every time.

[chatterbox]

If it's a short barrel 50, you would have better results with the FFF.

Tommy,

It is. It is a Scout Carbine. Harrison uses it. It was given to me by my FIL, and now Harrison is using it!
So the triple F is the way to go?

[Hobo With a shotgun]

I use Goex FFF.

[chatterbox]

I know this is an old topic, but I have a question on the grain amount of the Hodgton 777.
I typically run 90 grains of loose powder in the T/C Scout, and that was with both pyrodex and Shockey's Gold.
With the 777, running hotter, can I stay with the same starting amount of 90 grains, or should I start at 80 grains?

[ncturkey]

BLACK HORN 209 !! Good Stuff !

I second that.

[ncturkey]

I did not know you could not use the BG 209 with #11. When I hunted with #11 I used Triple 7 and Pyrdex Select with good results.

[Sloppy_Snood]

I like being the odd man out. I still believe that plain old REAL black powder is outstanding if you buy the Swiss brand in 2f or 3f granule size. Yes,,, it is a little harder to come by but if you are willing to go through the inconvenience of mail order, most any black powder or substitute can be purchased at Powder Inc.

LINK: http://powderinc.com/catalog/order.htm

I highly encourage real black powder shooters to use Swiss over the other brands. It is super high quality and very consistent on velocities produced. Enjoy.

[Sloppy_Snood]

I did not know you could not use the BG 209 with #11. When I hunted with #11 I used Triple 7 and Pyrdex Select with good results.

You can Mike but reliable ignition is best accomplished through opening up the flash hole in the breech plug. Google search the subject and they're recommendations on how large to make the hole for Blackhorn 209.

[redarrow]

Is there someway to find out who made the powder with Shockeys name on it? I highly doubt he made his own. Just a figurehead.

[Sloppy_Snood]

Is there someway to find out who made the powder with Shockeys name on it? I highly doubt he made his own. Just a figurehead.

American Pioneer. Same stuff different label.

[ICDEDTURKES]

I did not know you could not use the BG 209 with #11. When I hunted with #11 I used Triple 7 and Pyrdex Select with good results.

You can Mike but reliable ignition is best accomplished through opening up the flash hole in the breech plug. Google search the subject and they're recommendations on how large to make the hole for Blackhorn 209.

I am not so sure on 11 bh is 209 only. TC is good to go from factory CVA u open up on old hex plugs but I lost all accuracy when I opened it up. New cva with hand breech they sell a bh compatible breech plug.

[drenalinld]

Please don't waste money on the American Pioneer crap. Velocity from one shot to the next was the most inconsistent I have ever seen. Set a match to it. Lost some respect for Shockey after trying it.