Short range patterns...what do you like to see?

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Short range patterns...what do you like to see?

Post by Eclipseman » February 10th, 2018, 5:13 pm

I will be loading some tss soon for my 12ga and I have read lots about patterns at 40, 50, and 60+ yards. Many of which have crazy pellet counts in a 10 size ring. This interests me as yes I like to call birds in close, I still want to be able to take a bird at 50-60 yards (some years I might only get one chance at a bird). All that being said I’m sure there is a balance for how tight your pattern must be to get you out to 50/60 yards compared to how tight that pattern is say at 20/30 yards. So what type of patterns do you look for at 20/30 yards? How tight are they? Thanks!

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Post by Turkinator » February 10th, 2018, 7:24 pm

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seriously, the laws of physics can't be changed. To have that 50yard bang flop pattern, you are by necessity going to be very tight at 20. My first tss bird was taken at less than10 yards. He came in fast and was on top of me before I knew it. It was like shooting a 12ga. rifled slug. Since then it's been anywhere from 10 to 65plus yards. A good red dot or other sight will equalize the factors.

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Post by Turkinator » February 10th, 2018, 7:26 pm

Picture wasn't my first tss bird by the way.

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Post by Dtrkyman » February 10th, 2018, 8:03 pm

I like it to go where my gun is pointed, I will sacrifice some range for a huntable 20 yard pattern.

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Post by Spuriosity » February 10th, 2018, 8:27 pm

I've solved that issue with my O/U...1.25 oz of reclaimed mixed 8.5x9s through a LM choke yielding 110/10 @ 40 with big forgiving patterns @ 20.
ST .675 and 1.625 oz of new, layered 8.5s over 9s that yield the same number at 60.

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Post by youngoutdoors » February 10th, 2018, 10:35 pm

To the right in my avitar is a close pattern picture. I don't necessarily want a 60 yard pattern. I do want a good 40 yard pattern. That is the name of the game; get the turkey to come to you by calling or fooling him. I don't think turkey hunting is supposed to be a long range proposition. I personally wont shoot at a turkey if I know he is beyond about 45 yards unless he is wounded and escaping. I just cherish the hunt and plan on getting him at a later hunt.

Almost all turkey guns I know of have a very tight pattern at less than 20 yds. A red dot scope is a great aid if they are close.

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Post by Turkinator » February 11th, 2018, 12:27 am

Spuriosity wrote:
February 10th, 2018, 8:27 pm
I've solved that issue with my O/U...1.25 oz of reclaimed mixed 8.5x9s through a LM choke yielding 110/10 @ 40 with big forgiving patterns @ 20.
ST .675 and 1.625 oz of new, layered 8.5s over 9s that yield the same number at 60.
Do you notice a big difference in patterns with the reclaimed?

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Post by SwampDrummin » February 11th, 2018, 6:03 am

I shoot a load that has a 300/300 pattern in the 10/20 at 40 yards and is even all the way across. That’s what i look for. thats about 80-85% of the total shot in the loads i shoot l. I find that to be a really good close andnlong range combo. I shot it at 20 yards and it was still pretty large, about what Winchester longbeards are at 40. I think i may have actually tweaked it to be too wide a hunting pattern because I have had unintended extra casualties when i never did anything like that before. The kill swath is betweenn24-26inches at 40

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Post by reminex » February 11th, 2018, 8:14 am

Turkinator wrote:
February 11th, 2018, 12:27 am
Spuriosity wrote:
February 10th, 2018, 8:27 pm
I've solved that issue with my O/U...1.25 oz of reclaimed mixed 8.5x9s through a LM choke yielding 110/10 @ 40 with big forgiving patterns @ 20.
ST .675 and 1.625 oz of new, layered 8.5s over 9s that yield the same number at 60.
Do you notice a big difference in patterns with the reclaimed?
Not directed at me but I'd like to chime in that I see no difference. Some of my reclaimed shot has been down the barrel 15 times though and gets mixed in with other shot sizes. I just feel better throwing new shot at a turkey.

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Post by Spuriosity » February 11th, 2018, 8:22 am

Turkinator wrote:
February 11th, 2018, 12:27 am
Spuriosity wrote:
February 10th, 2018, 8:27 pm
I've solved that issue with my O/U...1.25 oz of reclaimed mixed 8.5x9s through a LM choke yielding 110/10 @ 40 with big forgiving patterns @ 20.
ST .675 and 1.625 oz of new, layered 8.5s over 9s that yield the same number at 60.
Do you notice a big difference in patterns with the reclaimed?
My hunting load with a 50/50 layered mix of 8.5s over 9s averages 283/196 with virgin shot and 236/199 with reclaimed shot. Mixing rather than layered causes the percentage in the 10" to drop even more, which is why I do that for my "open" barrel for close shots. So yes, I find a significant difference between virgin and reclaimed shot. A fair percentage of the reclaimed pellets (guessing 15%) show dimples. Not sure how much of that is from set back forces at ignition and how much is due to the shot slamming into the metal at the back of my trap. I suspect the former.

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Re: Short range patterns...what do you like to see?

Post by howl » February 11th, 2018, 11:18 am

That's a good point about a pattern being too wide to use without collateral damage. I have not seen anyone use a target big enough to see how many widely straying pellets you get. We know they exist because strikes for all the pellets in the load are not seen on the target. I know I've had to turn down easy shots on gobblers because there were too many other birds in between.

With a volleyball or cantaloupe sized pattern at 20 yards, that is counting the fringe, you can just aim lower on the bird. At ten yards, you can body shoot them if you want. I get fussed at, derogatory comments made against my manhood even, if I get any pellets in the meat. So if I have not missed, I just let them go. I either shoot as they are leaving or try them again later. The poor condition of my eyes requires I sometimes have to call a bird in more than once just to get a shot anyhow.

If you're for forty yards + 10 estimation error using a 12 gauge, there is no need for TSS. A couple ounces of lead sixes will make them just as dead.

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Re: Short range patterns...what do you like to see?

Post by norINhunter » February 11th, 2018, 7:59 pm

At 10 yds with a cylinder choke with tss or even lead is going to be tight. I hunt with probably too tight of a pattern but prior to our season I practice shooting little 1"X1" squares at 5-15 yds with target rounds. When they are up close and out to 25 it's all about not rushing and squeezing the trigger.

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Re: Short range patterns...what do you like to see?

Post by BrowningGuy88 » February 13th, 2018, 2:23 pm

I like to be able to kill a bird comfortably at whatever distance I choose to pull the trigger.

TSS that's somewhere in the 60 yard range. Hevi, its 50-55 yards. Lead, 40-45 yards.

With any of those, I have to deal with a pattern a larger than a softball, but smaller than a volley ball at 20 yards. If a bird is closer than 20, I shoot him in the neck at the waddles. If a bird is under 10, I shoot him high in the body at the wing joint with TSS or Hevi and in the waddles with lead.

This is what works for me. The main thing I want is the shot to go where my sights aim. I do not want to deal with Kentucky windage.

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Re: Short range patterns...what do you like to see?

Post by norINhunter » February 14th, 2018, 8:21 am

Inside 20 yds I'm aiming where the leather meets the feathers all day. I don't play games with trying to scalp them.

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