Looking at 28ga shotguns

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Wanting to get one. Any opinions? Been looking and just don't know. It will be used as a multi species weapon. Not many options out there.
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I've never shot one, but I'd love to have this one.
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I am going to buy a Weatherby SA-08 when I buy one.
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For an autoloader- Franchi 48AL
For an O/U- something on a true 28ga frame, like the CZ Woodcock, or Redhead Mini

Those suggestions are for under 1k. I've shot the Benelli, it's sweet, but I just couldn't justify the cost. I've held the Weatherby, but haven't shot it. It felt pretty good, and was an option for me. I actually ended up buying a CZ Woodcock, just like Hal's. The Woodcock is now discontinued, but can be found used. I really wanted a 28 more for wingshooting, and prefer the O/U. CZ now makes a 28ga on a true 28ga frame (like the Woodcock) called the Redhead Mini. Well, about two weeks after I bought the CZ, I won a Franchi 48AL in 28ga. I did not leave home on a turkey hunt this past season without the Franchi. I absolutely love it. The CZ will most likely be relegated to wing shooting duties. Beretta is also making a 28ga, it's on the A400 platform. It feels pretty awesome too. I guess it depends on how much you want to spend. The Franchi was my second choice behind the CZ. And in my price range, I pefered the Franchi over the Weatherby for several reasons. One was that the Weatherby had just come out. The Franchi has been around since 1948.
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Pete, I have a CZ Bobwhite and an Ithaca M37 in 28 gauge. I haven't made them into turkey guns. Probably won't. DocHoliday has a very nice CZ Bobwhite 28 that he has made into a turkey gun. Both are good, light guns. The CZ is 5 lbs, 3 oz., and the Ithaca, a flat 6. Gil
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Gil, how much does that m37 weigh? Site says 6#. Probably stay away from jam-o-matics. Would really like a doubled barreled gun again, sold my citori 3.5" wetlands camo. Hard to shoot true triples with two two shells, then again two shells a bit more challenging. Decisions, decisions.
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pedro wrote: Probably stay away from jam-o-matics. Would really like a doubled barreled gun again, sold my citori 3.5" wetlands camo. Hard to shoot true triples with two two shells, then again two shells a bit more challenging. Decisions, decisions.
For a SxS or O/U, the possibilites are endless. I don't do SxS's well, the sight plane just doesn't seem right to me for wing shooting, so I don't know as much about them. I guess I'm just used to a stack barrel. Like I mentioned in my other post, my main requirement, which may not be yours, would be for the gun to have a true 28ga. frame. That may not concern you as a requirement if weight, of course, doesn't matter to you. I want my 28ga to feel like a 28ga. If I wanted a 20 gauge, I'd buy one. There are plenty baby frames out there, but a lot of them are big $$. That's the main reason why I chose the CZ, affordability. Guerini (4k), Fausti (2k+), and Beretta(3k+) offers true frame 28 gauges. You may wanna check out Joel Etchen as well. He makes some fine 2 barrel guns for a fair price, not cheap, but fair, beautiful guns. Also, the older model of the Ruger Red Label in 28 was on a true frame, not sure that they even make a 28 in the the new ones, but I'm sure you could find one used if you wanted to.
As far as the "jam-o-matic", I've run about 6 cases of Fiocchi light target/dove loads thru my Franchi without failure. It's not a worry to me now. Not trying to sway you that way, just letting you know.
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Pete, 6 lbs.
If I were to use it for turkeys, there are three optic or sight mounting strategies that make the gun versatile for other game. One, the FFIII can be rib mounted as is and removed/replaced seasonally. The barrel's stanchions are machined into the barrel out of a solid billet when it was made. The rib is easily removed. The two stanchions nearest the receiver could be drilled and tapped for a short length of rib with the FFIII, Williams' Firesights or equivalent attached. You would have bare stanchions sticking up, but that would just be odd looking and not a problem. Or a more expensive solution would be another barrel dedicated for turkeys with the red dot or rifle sight permanently affixed. In that the sight sits on the barrel, barrel change out doesn't change poi/poa. It is not an inexpensive gun, however. It's a grand in the lowest grade. However, the quality of materials, fit and finish are unequaled in other pumps currently produced. It comes with a set of Briley screw-in chokes. Gil
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As far as the "jam-o-matic", I've run about 6 cases of Fiocchi light target/dove loads thru my Franchi without failure. It's not a worry to me now. Not trying to sway you that way, just letting you know.[/quote]

Don't hate them. I shot one most of my life, no problems with it, actually resurrecting my 1187 this waterfowl season. When I buy a 28, it will be on its own frame. Never handled an cz. They seem quality.
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pedro wrote: When I buy a 28, it will be on its own frame. Never handled an cz. They seem quality.
Good move. And to me, there's just something about a 28 that says it needs to have 2 barrels. I prefer my Franchi for turkeys, but do love my CZ. I did a lot of research, and held a bunch of guns, before I bought mine. Most I looked at were out of my price range. Ruger and CZ were in my wheelhouse though. I held a CZ Redhead mini and liked it, but prefered the case hardened reciever of the Woodcock. I just kept watching the gun auction sites until I found one I wanted. I paid $700 NIB for the discontinuted Woodcock from James Wayne Firearms in Victoria, TX. JWF actually has a NIB woodcock listed on GB right now with no reserve (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =426042321). Fit and finish/quality seem to be top notch, especially for the price. I hear CZ's customer service is good as well.
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While not that big a deal with some, I prefer the double triggers of the Bobwhite over the single trigger of the Woodcock. Gil
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GLS wrote:While not that big a deal with some, I prefer the double triggers of the Bobwhite over the single trigger of the Woodcock. Gil
Don't be hating on the Woodcock now, Gil. Help me out here, Hal. :D
I think double triggers on a turkey gun would be a great advantage. It ceratinly beats having to fiddle with a barrel selector in crunch time. I've never owned a double triggered gun, so I can't really argue either way. If you can't decide which trigger to pull....pull both!
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It's not that I hate single triggers; I've always liked double triggers better. I replaced the single select of my Beretta 686 Onyx with double triggers.
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If I choose a ou for the 28, it will have single trigger. The plan is to set up a cz mallard 20 dual triggers for turkeys. The 28 will be wing shooting most of the time, but will go turkey hunting.
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pedro wrote:If I choose a ou for the 28, it will have single trigger. The plan is to set up a cz mallard 20 dual triggers for turkeys. The 28 will be wing shooting most of the time, but will go turkey hunting.
I'm not aware of any o/u's that come with double triggers so your selection will be easy. The CZ is a good gun for the money. Yildiz makes a good gun for the money in 12, 20 and .410, but the 28 is a $1600 gun. The other gauges are considerably cheaper in the lower grades. Gil
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Southern Sportsman wrote:I've never shot one, but I'd love to have this one.
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That is what I shoot for 28ga and it is an absolute dream to shoot. I have shot about 500 ducks loads, 5 turkey loads, and about 1000 rounds of dove loads and can honestly say, it hasn't has a single issue. Just shooting everything I load into it. Having said that I have a buddy that has been shooting a weatherby sa08 28 all summer and loves it and claims it has had no issues. At $599, it is less than half the price of the benelli.
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GLS wrote:
pedro wrote:If I choose a ou for the 28, it will have single trigger. The plan is to set up a cz mallard 20 dual triggers for turkeys. The 28 will be wing shooting most of the time, but will go turkey hunting.
I'm not aware of any o/u's that come with double triggers so your selection will be easy. The CZ is a good gun for the money. Yildiz makes a good gun for the money in 12, 20 and .410, but the 28 is a $1600 gun. The other gauges are considerably cheaper in the lower grades. Gil
cz mallard has them.
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cdnn has the weatherby auto 28 ga for 569. A fellow shooter at our club bought one. Its lite shoots well and pretty.
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Waddle Whacker wrote:
GLS wrote:While not that big a deal with some, I prefer the double triggers of the Bobwhite over the single trigger of the Woodcock. Gil
Don't be hating on the Woodcock now, Gil. Help me out here, Hal. :D
I think double triggers on a turkey gun would be a great advantage. It ceratinly beats having to fiddle with a barrel selector in crunch time. I've never owned a double triggered gun, so I can't really argue either way. If you can't decide which trigger to pull....pull both!
I'd prefer a double trigger for a turkey gun, but I'm used to toggling the safety the way I need it on the Woodcock so I don't think about it much. I prefer an O/U to a SxS, and like what you did on the Onyx Gil.
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hawglips wrote:
Waddle Whacker wrote:
GLS wrote:While not that big a deal with some, I prefer the double triggers of the Bobwhite over the single trigger of the Woodcock. Gil
Don't be hating on the Woodcock now, Gil. Help me out here, Hal. :D
I think double triggers on a turkey gun would be a great advantage. It ceratinly beats having to fiddle with a barrel selector in crunch time. I've never owned a double triggered gun, so I can't really argue either way. If you can't decide which trigger to pull....pull both!
I'd prefer a double trigger for a turkey gun, but I'm used to toggling the safety the way I need it on the Woodcock so I don't think about it much. I prefer an O/U to a SxS, and like what you did on the Onyx Gil.
Agreed. Gil, how much to have double triggers put on your Onyx? That's what I shoot at turkeys and ruffed grouse. I would prefer DTs for either application.
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Cole Gunsmithing is Beretta USA's warranty specialist. A buddy had it done a couple of months ago on his Onyx for $300. I paid a little less a few years ago. Quick turnaround. Gil
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Pete, good to know about double triggers on the cz mallard. Thanks. Gil
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Pedro, I happened across these today and thought you may be interested. Just another gun to look at during your search. I've never seen one in person, I just thought they were good looking guns for the price.
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Webley & Scott (the original company) was a Birmingham, England maker of solid, well-made box lock SxS shotguns. They made a lot of actions and barrels in the white for finishing by other top gun makers throughout England. I have a lightweight 12 gauge box lock in 2.5" weighing 6.25 lbs with 28" barrels. It was finished out by Henry Atkin, a well-known London maker. While not a "best" gun, it was #1 of a matched pair made in 1938 for an Englishman. The O/U that is now available is made in Turkey. It appears to be a good gun for the money. Gil
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GLS wrote:Webley & Scott (the original company) was a Birmingham, England maker of solid, well-made box lock SxS shotguns. They made a lot of actions and barrels in the white for finishing by other top gun makers throughout England. I have a lightweight 12 gauge box lock in 2.5" weighing 6.25 lbs with 28" barrels. It was finished out by Henry Atkin, a well-known London maker. While not a "best" gun, it was #1 of a matched pair made in 1938 for an Englishman. The O/U that is now available is made in Turkey. It appears to be a good gun for the money. Gil
That's pretty cool Gil. I kinda knew the history of W&S guns, and just found a day or two ago that they were being made in Turkey now. I honestly didn't know if they were still being made at all, always figured they were outta my price range. I think they're fine looking guns at a fair price.
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