20 ga TSS combos

hawglips · Post by **hawglips** » September 14th, 2012, 11:52 am

I have been thinking of compiling a thread on 20 gauge TSS patterns, to give folks a reference place to look and see what various loads and gun setups look like.

Gun/choke combos included here are:

Baikal single shot, 24", Sumtoy .562-5
Benelli Nova, Carlson .575 flush
Benelli Nova, Undertaker .570
Benelli M2, Indian Creek .555
Benelli M2, .578
Benelli M2, Undertaker .582
Benelli M2, Indian Creek .562
Benelli M2, factory full
Benelli M2, factory modified
Benelli M2, Pure Gold .570
Benelli M2, Sumtoy 562-5
Beretta 390, Indian Creek .555
Browning Gold, .580
Condor Youth, X Factor .584
Franchi, Trulock .585
Franchi Affinity, Carlsons .575
H&R Pardner, 21" Indian Creek .555
H&R Pardner, 21", Tightwad .570
Mossberg Silver Reserve, Sum Toy .562-3
Mossberg Silver Reserve, Tru Lock .581
Mossberg Mav 88, Carlson .575
Mossberg 500 Bantam Youth 18.5", Indian Creek .575
Mossberg 500 Bantam Youth, Pure Gold .555
Mossberg 500 Bantam Youth, Carlsons .575 Extended, non-ported
Remington 870, Remington Super Full
Remington 870, Tightwad .570
Remington 870, Indian Creek .555
Remington 870, 21" barrel Indian Creek .555
Remington 870, Indian Creek .575
Remington 870, Undertaker .582
Remington 870, Carlsons .575 extended
Remington 870, 21" barrel, Trulock .585
Remington 870 youth, Rem modified choke
Remington 870 Compact Jr, 18-1/2" barrel, Rhino
Remington 1187, Indian Creek .555
Savage 220A, 30" full choke
Stoeger Condor Youth O/U, XFactor .575
Stoeger Condor Youth O/U, Carlson .570
Stoever Condor Youth, Carlsons .575 extended, ported
TC Encore, SumToy .562-3
TC Encore, Pure Gold .555
Weatherby SA-459, Sumtoy .562
Weatherby SA-459, Carlsons .575 extended
Winchester SX3, Carlsons .585
Yildiz SxS, Carlson Mod flush

Here are 40 yd patterns from various combos for the following 20 ga loads:

1 oz (2-3/4" #9s)
1-5/16 oz (2-3/4" #9s)
1-7/16 oz (3" #9s - 20, 40, 50 and 60 yds)
1-7/16 oz (3" #9x8s)
1-7/16 oz (3" #8s)
1-5/8 oz (3" #9s)
1-5/8 oz (2-3/4" #9s)
1-7/8 oz (3" #9s)
2 oz (3" #9s)

1 oz #9s(1225 fps)
Benelli M2, Indian Creek .555
115 in 10", 140 in 10-20"

1-5/16 oz #9s (2-3/4")

40 yds

1-7/16 oz #9s (1200 fps)

20 yds

Beretta 390, Indian Creek .555

Rem 870, Tightwad .570

40 yds

Beretta 390, Indian Creek .555

Rem 870, Indian Creek .555

Rem 870, Rem Super Full

Mossberg Mav 88, Carlson XtraFull

Rem 870, Tightwad .570

Benelli Nova, Undertaker .570

Benelli Nova, Carlson .575 flush

Benelli M2, Indian Creek .555

Mossberg Bantam Youth 18.5" barrel, Indian Creek .570

Mossberg Silver Reserve, TruLock .581

Baikal single shot 24", Sumtoy .562-5

50 yds

Rem 870, Tightwad .570

60 yds
Rem 870, Tightwad .570

1-7/16 oz #9x8
Rem 870, Rem Super Full

1-5/8 oz #9s (1090 fps)

20 yds
Rem 870, 21" barrel, Undertaker .582

23 yards
Rem 870, 21" barrel, Indian Creek .555

40 yds

Rem 870 Youth, factory modified choke

Rem 870, Indian Creek .555

Rem 870, Indian Creek .575

TC Encore, SumToy .562

Mossberg Silver Reserve, SumToy

Rem 870, Rem Super Full

Yildiz SxS, Carlson Modified flush

Stoeger Condor Youth O/U, Xfactor .575

Stoeger Condor Youth O/U, Carlson .570

Stoeger Condor Youth, Carlsons .575 extended, ported

Mossberg 500 Bantam youth, Carlsons .575 extended, non ported

Mossberg 500 Bantam Youth, 575 Carlsons extended non ported

Mossberg 500 Bantam Youth, Carlsons .575 Extended, non-ported

Mossberg 500 Bantam Youth, Pure Gold .555

H&R Pardner, 21", Indian Creek .555

H&R Pardner, 21", Tightwad .570

Remington, 21" barrel, Indian Creek .555

Remington 1187, Indian Creek .555
353 in 10"

Remington 870 compact, 21" barrel, Trulock .585

Franchi, Trulock .585

Rem 870, 21" barrel, Undertaker .582

Rem 870, 21" barrel, Sumtoy .562

Rem 870 compact Jr, 18-1/2" barrel, Rhino

60 yards
Rem 870, 21" barrel, Indian Creek .555

65 yds
Sumtoy .562

1-5/8 oz #9s, 2-3/4"

35 yds

Benelli M2, Indian Creek .555 (456 10")

40 yds

(2-3/4”) Benelli M2, Indian Creek .555 (305 10”, 208 20”)

(2-3/4") Benelli M2, Indian Creek .555

(2-3/4”) Benelli M2, .578

(2-3/4”) Browning Gold, .580
287 in 10", 250 in 10-20"

(2-3/4”) Rem 870, Rem Super Full

(2-3/4") Benelli M2, factory modified

(2-3/4") Benelli M2, factory full

(2-3/4") Benelli M2, Indian Creek .562

(2-3/4") Benelli M2, Pure gold .570

(2-3/4") Benelli M2, Sumtoy 562-5

(2-3/4") Benelli M2, Sumtoy 562-5
8-1/2s (300/oz)

(2-3/4") Savage 220A, 30" full choke

(2-3/4") Winchester SX3, Carlsonss .585
324 10", 210 10-20"

50 yds

(2-3/4") Savage 220A, 30" full choke

(2-3/4") Benelli M2, Sumtoy 562-5

1-5/8 oz #8s

TC Encore, Pure Gold .555

1-7/8 oz #9s (1050 fps)

Rem 870, Rem Super Full

Benelli M2, Indian Creek .555
342 in 10", 267 in 10-20"

Benelli M2, Undertaker .582
317 in 10", 318 in 10-20"

Mossberg Silver Reserve, TruLock .581

Condor Youth X Factor .584

1-7/8 oz. #9x8s (1061 fps)

Remington 870, Undertaker .582

50 yds

Remington 870, Undertaker .582

2 oz #9s (1000 fps)

Mossberg Silver Reserve, TruLock .581

ICDEDTURKES · Post by **ICDEDTURKES** » September 14th, 2012, 2:02 pm

Looks like you need to go back to the drawing board..

Post by **Hoobilly** » September 15th, 2012, 9:56 am

thanks for posting this info. Lord willing I will get set up in the coming year to do my own reloading. I want to do the 20 and 28 ga. I have my dads Ruger Red Label 28 and really want to get tubes and TSS loads for it. (bucket list)

el diablo · Post by **el diablo** » September 15th, 2012, 11:22 am

Nice work Hal. If you need some pics for a 12 gauge thread I still have most of mine.

Spuriosity · Post by **Spuriosity** » September 15th, 2012, 10:18 pm

Other worldly. Hard to believe what you have done for the 20 ga. Maybe you should send a link to that thread to NWTF.

GOLD HUNTER · Post by **GOLD HUNTER** » September 16th, 2012, 3:26 pm

hawglips · Post by **hawglips** » October 7th, 2012, 7:30 am

I went out and tried my Mossberg Silver Reserve 20 ga today, shooting 3 different loads, Big 20 XL (1-7/16), XXXXL (1-7/8 oz) and the developing 5XL(2 oz).
These were all using a TruLock 581.

GLS · Post by **GLS** » October 7th, 2012, 7:51 am

2 oz.??? Good grief, Charlie Brown! gil

Shooter · Post by **Shooter** » October 7th, 2012, 11:30 am

GLS wrote:2 oz.??? Good grief, Charlie Brown! gil

LOL

pdqt · Post by **pdqt** » October 9th, 2012, 10:02 pm

Real impressive Hal. I just haven't found the right combo to match those kind of patterns, even tho I have used two of the same make of guns, and a couple of the same chokes.

But I am not going to the 1 7/8 or larger.
2 oz!!! I bet something larger is coming.

outlaw · Post by **outlaw** » January 17th, 2013, 10:25 pm

what would be a good combo with a 1187 20 gauage with a 21 inch barrell and useing tss9s

hawglips · Post by **hawglips** » February 19th, 2013, 6:20 pm

outlaw wrote:what would be a good combo with a 1187 20 gauage with a 21 inch barrell and useing tss9s

Checkout Shotgun Dave's 1187 pattern with 1-5/8 oz and an IC .555

Richard Cranium · Post by **Richard Cranium** » February 19th, 2013, 7:02 pm

Thanks for taking the time to post this. Great information!!

Johndoe · Post by **Johndoe** » February 19th, 2013, 8:19 pm

outlaw wrote:what would be a good combo with a 1187 20 gauage with a 21 inch barrell and useing tss9s

Rem Super Full, TruLock 585.

John

VALongbeard · Post by **VALongbeard** » February 20th, 2013, 6:45 pm

Anybody with a 11-87 Should try a kicks gobblin Thunder choke as well. I shoot the 1 5/8 oz. Load of TSS 9s and the kicks .570 is nasty in my gun. Mine has a 26" barrel, and has shot a high of 362 if I remember correctly in the 10" at 40 yards. It averages around 330 in the 10" and puts around 200 in the 10" to 20" ring. I need to dig the patterns up and post pics here. I have tried a lot of chokes in testing, such as PG, Rhino, RSF, IC, etc. And the kicks beats them all.

hookedspur · Post by **hookedspur** » February 20th, 2013, 8:12 pm

Richard Cranium wrote:Thanks for taking the time to post this. Great information!!

Yes Thanks a bunch !!!

BigHooks · Post by **BigHooks** » March 4th, 2013, 8:37 pm

Thanks Hal great info here different kinds of guns loads an chokes. every thing you need is here

Shotgun Dave · Post by **Shotgun Dave** » March 5th, 2013, 4:45 pm

Great info . Thanks !!!

hawglips · Post by **hawglips** » March 31st, 2013, 3:00 pm

Thought y'all might want to see this one...

Benelli M2 Indian Creek .562
2-3/4" 1-5/8 oz T9s
346 10:
222 10-20"

tiggere · Post by **tiggere** » April 1st, 2013, 5:58 am

Mossberg 500 Bantam Youth, Pure Gold .555

That one looks familiar

...

Gonna go try it out next Saturday for youth day...hope we can get the boy on one...

gophert · Post by **gophert** » April 1st, 2013, 7:05 am

This needs to be a sticky in the small bore section. I was trying to find it the other day and never did. STICKY DOUG...STICKY!!!

Basser69 · Post by **Basser69** » April 1st, 2013, 3:59 pm

gophert wrote:This needs to be a sticky in the small bore section. I was trying to find it the other day and never did. STICKY DOUG...STICKY!!!

I agree sticky. LOTS of useful info here. I am looking to step over to the dark side with all and get rid of the 10ga's and 12ga's.

hawglips · Post by **hawglips** » June 17th, 2013, 8:38 am

Here's the 1 oz 20 ga TSS x steel load at 30 yds. 30" circle. SX3 with Kicks modified choke

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El diablo shot this one

GLS · Post by **GLS** » June 17th, 2013, 9:28 am

The Steel and TSS combo, is it 50%-50%?
I am going to get out a limb (thick, oak and am sitting against the trunk) and guess that the larger holes are steel shot.

Nice looking duck load.
Gil

hawglips · Post by **hawglips** » June 17th, 2013, 9:56 am

It's 1/4 oz of the small TSS 9s with 3/4 oz of steel 3s. It's running about 1500 fps, but it's over SAAMI MAP at that speed.

Derrick counted 93 TSS pellets and 101 steel pellets in the circle.

Gobbler Nation

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