20 ga TSS combos
20 ga TSS combos
I have been thinking of compiling a thread on 20 gauge TSS patterns, to give folks a reference place to look and see what various loads and gun setups look like.
Gun/choke combos included here are:
Baikal single shot, 24", Sumtoy .562-5
Benelli Nova, Carlson .575 flush
Benelli Nova, Undertaker .570
Benelli M2, Indian Creek .555
Benelli M2, .578
Benelli M2, Undertaker .582
Benelli M2, Indian Creek .562
Benelli M2, factory full
Benelli M2, factory modified
Benelli M2, Pure Gold .570
Benelli M2, Sumtoy 562-5
Beretta 390, Indian Creek .555
Browning Gold, .580
Condor Youth, X Factor .584
Franchi, Trulock .585
Franchi Affinity, Carlsons .575
H&R Pardner, 21" Indian Creek .555
H&R Pardner, 21", Tightwad .570
Mossberg Silver Reserve, Sum Toy .562-3
Mossberg Silver Reserve, Tru Lock .581
Mossberg Mav 88, Carlson .575
Mossberg 500 Bantam Youth 18.5", Indian Creek .575
Mossberg 500 Bantam Youth, Pure Gold .555
Mossberg 500 Bantam Youth, Carlsons .575 Extended, non-ported
Remington 870, Remington Super Full
Remington 870, Tightwad .570
Remington 870, Indian Creek .555
Remington 870, 21" barrel Indian Creek .555
Remington 870, Indian Creek .575
Remington 870, Undertaker .582
Remington 870, Carlsons .575 extended
Remington 870, 21" barrel, Trulock .585
Remington 870 youth, Rem modified choke
Remington 870 Compact Jr, 18-1/2" barrel, Rhino
Remington 1187, Indian Creek .555
Savage 220A, 30" full choke
Stoeger Condor Youth O/U, XFactor .575
Stoeger Condor Youth O/U, Carlson .570
Stoever Condor Youth, Carlsons .575 extended, ported
TC Encore, SumToy .562-3
TC Encore, Pure Gold .555
Weatherby SA-459, Sumtoy .562
Weatherby SA-459, Carlsons .575 extended
Winchester SX3, Carlsons .585
Yildiz SxS, Carlson Mod flush
Here are 40 yd patterns from various combos for the following 20 ga loads:
1 oz (2-3/4" #9s)
1-5/16 oz (2-3/4" #9s)
1-7/16 oz (3" #9s - 20, 40, 50 and 60 yds)
1-7/16 oz (3" #9x8s)
1-7/16 oz (3" #8s)
1-5/8 oz (3" #9s)
1-5/8 oz (2-3/4" #9s)
1-7/8 oz (3" #9s)
2 oz (3" #9s)
1 oz #9s(1225 fps)
Benelli M2, Indian Creek .555
115 in 10", 140 in 10-20"
1-5/16 oz #9s (2-3/4")
40 yds
1-7/16 oz #9s (1200 fps)
20 yds
Beretta 390, Indian Creek .555
Rem 870, Tightwad .570
40 yds
Beretta 390, Indian Creek .555
Rem 870, Indian Creek .555
Rem 870, Rem Super Full
Mossberg Mav 88, Carlson XtraFull
Rem 870, Tightwad .570
Benelli Nova, Undertaker .570
Benelli Nova, Carlson .575 flush
Benelli M2, Indian Creek .555
Mossberg Bantam Youth 18.5" barrel, Indian Creek .570
Mossberg Silver Reserve, TruLock .581
Baikal single shot 24", Sumtoy .562-5
50 yds
Rem 870, Tightwad .570
60 yds
Rem 870, Tightwad .570
1-7/16 oz #9x8
Rem 870, Rem Super Full
1-5/8 oz #9s (1090 fps)
20 yds
Rem 870, 21" barrel, Undertaker .582
23 yards
Rem 870, 21" barrel, Indian Creek .555
40 yds
Rem 870 Youth, factory modified choke
Rem 870, Indian Creek .555
Rem 870, Indian Creek .575
TC Encore, SumToy .562
Mossberg Silver Reserve, SumToy
Rem 870, Rem Super Full
Yildiz SxS, Carlson Modified flush
Stoeger Condor Youth O/U, Xfactor .575
Stoeger Condor Youth O/U, Carlson .570
Stoeger Condor Youth, Carlsons .575 extended, ported
Mossberg 500 Bantam youth, Carlsons .575 extended, non ported
Mossberg 500 Bantam Youth, 575 Carlsons extended non ported
Mossberg 500 Bantam Youth, Carlsons .575 Extended, non-ported
Mossberg 500 Bantam Youth, Pure Gold .555
H&R Pardner, 21", Indian Creek .555
H&R Pardner, 21", Tightwad .570
Remington, 21" barrel, Indian Creek .555
Remington 1187, Indian Creek .555
353 in 10"
Remington 870 compact, 21" barrel, Trulock .585
Franchi, Trulock .585
Rem 870, 21" barrel, Undertaker .582
Rem 870, 21" barrel, Sumtoy .562
Rem 870 compact Jr, 18-1/2" barrel, Rhino
60 yards
Rem 870, 21" barrel, Indian Creek .555
65 yds
Sumtoy .562
1-5/8 oz #9s, 2-3/4"
35 yds
Benelli M2, Indian Creek .555 (456 10")
40 yds
(2-3/4”) Benelli M2, Indian Creek .555 (305 10”, 208 20”)
(2-3/4") Benelli M2, Indian Creek .555
(2-3/4”) Benelli M2, .578
(2-3/4”) Browning Gold, .580
287 in 10", 250 in 10-20"
(2-3/4”) Rem 870, Rem Super Full
(2-3/4") Benelli M2, factory modified
(2-3/4") Benelli M2, factory full
(2-3/4") Benelli M2, Indian Creek .562
(2-3/4") Benelli M2, Pure gold .570
(2-3/4") Benelli M2, Sumtoy 562-5
(2-3/4") Benelli M2, Sumtoy 562-5
8-1/2s (300/oz)
(2-3/4") Savage 220A, 30" full choke
(2-3/4") Winchester SX3, Carlsonss .585
324 10", 210 10-20"
50 yds
(2-3/4") Savage 220A, 30" full choke
(2-3/4") Benelli M2, Sumtoy 562-5
1-5/8 oz #8s
TC Encore, Pure Gold .555
1-7/8 oz #9s (1050 fps)
Rem 870, Rem Super Full
Benelli M2, Indian Creek .555
342 in 10", 267 in 10-20"
Benelli M2, Undertaker .582
317 in 10", 318 in 10-20"
Mossberg Silver Reserve, TruLock .581
Condor Youth X Factor .584
1-7/8 oz. #9x8s (1061 fps)
Remington 870, Undertaker .582
50 yds
Remington 870, Undertaker .582
2 oz #9s (1000 fps)
Mossberg Silver Reserve, TruLock .581
Gun/choke combos included here are:
Baikal single shot, 24", Sumtoy .562-5
Benelli Nova, Carlson .575 flush
Benelli Nova, Undertaker .570
Benelli M2, Indian Creek .555
Benelli M2, .578
Benelli M2, Undertaker .582
Benelli M2, Indian Creek .562
Benelli M2, factory full
Benelli M2, factory modified
Benelli M2, Pure Gold .570
Benelli M2, Sumtoy 562-5
Beretta 390, Indian Creek .555
Browning Gold, .580
Condor Youth, X Factor .584
Franchi, Trulock .585
Franchi Affinity, Carlsons .575
H&R Pardner, 21" Indian Creek .555
H&R Pardner, 21", Tightwad .570
Mossberg Silver Reserve, Sum Toy .562-3
Mossberg Silver Reserve, Tru Lock .581
Mossberg Mav 88, Carlson .575
Mossberg 500 Bantam Youth 18.5", Indian Creek .575
Mossberg 500 Bantam Youth, Pure Gold .555
Mossberg 500 Bantam Youth, Carlsons .575 Extended, non-ported
Remington 870, Remington Super Full
Remington 870, Tightwad .570
Remington 870, Indian Creek .555
Remington 870, 21" barrel Indian Creek .555
Remington 870, Indian Creek .575
Remington 870, Undertaker .582
Remington 870, Carlsons .575 extended
Remington 870, 21" barrel, Trulock .585
Remington 870 youth, Rem modified choke
Remington 870 Compact Jr, 18-1/2" barrel, Rhino
Remington 1187, Indian Creek .555
Savage 220A, 30" full choke
Stoeger Condor Youth O/U, XFactor .575
Stoeger Condor Youth O/U, Carlson .570
Stoever Condor Youth, Carlsons .575 extended, ported
TC Encore, SumToy .562-3
TC Encore, Pure Gold .555
Weatherby SA-459, Sumtoy .562
Weatherby SA-459, Carlsons .575 extended
Winchester SX3, Carlsons .585
Yildiz SxS, Carlson Mod flush
Here are 40 yd patterns from various combos for the following 20 ga loads:
1 oz (2-3/4" #9s)
1-5/16 oz (2-3/4" #9s)
1-7/16 oz (3" #9s - 20, 40, 50 and 60 yds)
1-7/16 oz (3" #9x8s)
1-7/16 oz (3" #8s)
1-5/8 oz (3" #9s)
1-5/8 oz (2-3/4" #9s)
1-7/8 oz (3" #9s)
2 oz (3" #9s)
1 oz #9s(1225 fps)
Benelli M2, Indian Creek .555
115 in 10", 140 in 10-20"
1-5/16 oz #9s (2-3/4")
40 yds
1-7/16 oz #9s (1200 fps)
20 yds
Beretta 390, Indian Creek .555
Rem 870, Tightwad .570
40 yds
Beretta 390, Indian Creek .555
Rem 870, Indian Creek .555
Rem 870, Rem Super Full
Mossberg Mav 88, Carlson XtraFull
Rem 870, Tightwad .570
Benelli Nova, Undertaker .570
Benelli Nova, Carlson .575 flush
Benelli M2, Indian Creek .555
Mossberg Bantam Youth 18.5" barrel, Indian Creek .570
Mossberg Silver Reserve, TruLock .581
Baikal single shot 24", Sumtoy .562-5
50 yds
Rem 870, Tightwad .570
60 yds
Rem 870, Tightwad .570
1-7/16 oz #9x8
Rem 870, Rem Super Full
1-5/8 oz #9s (1090 fps)
20 yds
Rem 870, 21" barrel, Undertaker .582
23 yards
Rem 870, 21" barrel, Indian Creek .555
40 yds
Rem 870 Youth, factory modified choke
Rem 870, Indian Creek .555
Rem 870, Indian Creek .575
TC Encore, SumToy .562
Mossberg Silver Reserve, SumToy
Rem 870, Rem Super Full
Yildiz SxS, Carlson Modified flush
Stoeger Condor Youth O/U, Xfactor .575
Stoeger Condor Youth O/U, Carlson .570
Stoeger Condor Youth, Carlsons .575 extended, ported
Mossberg 500 Bantam youth, Carlsons .575 extended, non ported
Mossberg 500 Bantam Youth, 575 Carlsons extended non ported
Mossberg 500 Bantam Youth, Carlsons .575 Extended, non-ported
Mossberg 500 Bantam Youth, Pure Gold .555
H&R Pardner, 21", Indian Creek .555
H&R Pardner, 21", Tightwad .570
Remington, 21" barrel, Indian Creek .555
Remington 1187, Indian Creek .555
353 in 10"
Remington 870 compact, 21" barrel, Trulock .585
Franchi, Trulock .585
Rem 870, 21" barrel, Undertaker .582
Rem 870, 21" barrel, Sumtoy .562
Rem 870 compact Jr, 18-1/2" barrel, Rhino
60 yards
Rem 870, 21" barrel, Indian Creek .555
65 yds
Sumtoy .562
1-5/8 oz #9s, 2-3/4"
35 yds
Benelli M2, Indian Creek .555 (456 10")
40 yds
(2-3/4”) Benelli M2, Indian Creek .555 (305 10”, 208 20”)
(2-3/4") Benelli M2, Indian Creek .555
(2-3/4”) Benelli M2, .578
(2-3/4”) Browning Gold, .580
287 in 10", 250 in 10-20"
(2-3/4”) Rem 870, Rem Super Full
(2-3/4") Benelli M2, factory modified
(2-3/4") Benelli M2, factory full
(2-3/4") Benelli M2, Indian Creek .562
(2-3/4") Benelli M2, Pure gold .570
(2-3/4") Benelli M2, Sumtoy 562-5
(2-3/4") Benelli M2, Sumtoy 562-5
8-1/2s (300/oz)
(2-3/4") Savage 220A, 30" full choke
(2-3/4") Winchester SX3, Carlsonss .585
324 10", 210 10-20"
50 yds
(2-3/4") Savage 220A, 30" full choke
(2-3/4") Benelli M2, Sumtoy 562-5
1-5/8 oz #8s
TC Encore, Pure Gold .555
1-7/8 oz #9s (1050 fps)
Rem 870, Rem Super Full
Benelli M2, Indian Creek .555
342 in 10", 267 in 10-20"
Benelli M2, Undertaker .582
317 in 10", 318 in 10-20"
Mossberg Silver Reserve, TruLock .581
Condor Youth X Factor .584
1-7/8 oz. #9x8s (1061 fps)
Remington 870, Undertaker .582
50 yds
Remington 870, Undertaker .582
2 oz #9s (1000 fps)
Mossberg Silver Reserve, TruLock .581
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Re: 20 ga TSS combos
Looks like you need to go back to the drawing board..
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Re: 20 ga TSS combos
thanks for posting this info. Lord willing I will get set up in the coming year to do my own reloading. I want to do the 20 and 28 ga. I have my dads Ruger Red Label 28 and really want to get tubes and TSS loads for it. (bucket list)
Re: 20 ga TSS combos
Nice work Hal. If you need some pics for a 12 gauge thread I still have most of mine.
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Other worldly. Hard to believe what you have done for the 20 ga. Maybe you should send a link to that thread to NWTF.
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I went out and tried my Mossberg Silver Reserve 20 ga today, shooting 3 different loads, Big 20 XL (1-7/16), XXXXL (1-7/8 oz) and the developing 5XL(2 oz).
These were all using a TruLock 581.
These were all using a TruLock 581.
Re: 20 ga TSS combos
2 oz.??? Good grief, Charlie Brown! gil
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GLS wrote:2 oz.??? Good grief, Charlie Brown! gil
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Re: 20 ga TSS combos
Real impressive Hal. I just haven't found the right combo to match those kind of patterns, even tho I have used two of the same make of guns, and a couple of the same chokes. But I am not going to the 1 7/8 or larger.
2 oz!!! I bet something larger is coming.
2 oz!!! I bet something larger is coming.
Re: 20 ga TSS combos
what would be a good combo with a 1187 20 gauage with a 21 inch barrell and useing tss9s
Re: 20 ga TSS combos
Checkout Shotgun Dave's 1187 pattern with 1-5/8 oz and an IC .555outlaw wrote:what would be a good combo with a 1187 20 gauage with a 21 inch barrell and useing tss9s
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Thanks for taking the time to post this. Great information!!
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Rem Super Full, TruLock 585.outlaw wrote:what would be a good combo with a 1187 20 gauage with a 21 inch barrell and useing tss9s
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Re: 20 ga TSS combos
Anybody with a 11-87 Should try a kicks gobblin Thunder choke as well. I shoot the 1 5/8 oz. Load of TSS 9s and the kicks .570 is nasty in my gun. Mine has a 26" barrel, and has shot a high of 362 if I remember correctly in the 10" at 40 yards. It averages around 330 in the 10" and puts around 200 in the 10" to 20" ring. I need to dig the patterns up and post pics here. I have tried a lot of chokes in testing, such as PG, Rhino, RSF, IC, etc. And the kicks beats them all.
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Richard Cranium wrote:Thanks for taking the time to post this. Great information!!
Yes Thanks a bunch !!!
Re: 20 ga TSS combos
Thanks Hal great info here different kinds of guns loads an chokes. every thing you need is here
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Great info . Thanks !!!
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Thought y'all might want to see this one...
Benelli M2 Indian Creek .562
2-3/4" 1-5/8 oz T9s
346 10:
222 10-20"
Benelli M2 Indian Creek .562
2-3/4" 1-5/8 oz T9s
346 10:
222 10-20"
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Mossberg 500 Bantam Youth, Pure Gold .555
That one looks familiar ...
Gonna go try it out next Saturday for youth day...hope we can get the boy on one...
That one looks familiar ...
Gonna go try it out next Saturday for youth day...hope we can get the boy on one...
Re: 20 ga TSS combos
This needs to be a sticky in the small bore section. I was trying to find it the other day and never did. STICKY DOUG...STICKY!!!
Re: 20 ga TSS combos
I agree sticky. LOTS of useful info here. I am looking to step over to the dark side with all and get rid of the 10ga's and 12ga's.gophert wrote:This needs to be a sticky in the small bore section. I was trying to find it the other day and never did. STICKY DOUG...STICKY!!!
20 ga TSS combos
Here's the 1 oz 20 ga TSS x steel load at 30 yds. 30" circle. SX3 with Kicks modified choke
El diablo shot this oneRe: 20 ga TSS combos
The Steel and TSS combo, is it 50%-50%?
I am going to get out a limb (thick, oak and am sitting against the trunk) and guess that the larger holes are steel shot.
Nice looking duck load.
Gil
I am going to get out a limb (thick, oak and am sitting against the trunk) and guess that the larger holes are steel shot.
Nice looking duck load.
Gil
Re: 20 ga TSS combos
It's 1/4 oz of the small TSS 9s with 3/4 oz of steel 3s. It's running about 1500 fps, but it's over SAAMI MAP at that speed.
Derrick counted 93 TSS pellets and 101 steel pellets in the circle.
Derrick counted 93 TSS pellets and 101 steel pellets in the circle.