Lightweight gun weights

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Lightweight gun weights

Post by howl » March 15th, 2018, 2:00 pm

List what you've put on a scale, please.

Yildiz .410 single 3.3#

Yildiz youth 20ga O/U 5.6#

Beretta A400 28ga 26" 5.4#

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Re: Lightweight gun weights

Post by BrowningGuy88 » March 15th, 2018, 3:11 pm

I don't guess I have any that are super light weight.

CZ 202B 28" 20 gauge 6#
Remington 870 21" 20 gauge 6#
Win 1300 Short 18.5" 12 gauge 6.5#

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Re: Lightweight gun weights

Post by howl » March 15th, 2018, 8:05 pm

6.5 12ga is pretty light.

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Re: Lightweight gun weights

Post by swampchicken » March 15th, 2018, 9:14 pm

Them short 1300s or even the ones with 22" barrels thump with a 2oz load.

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Re: Lightweight gun weights

Post by BrowningGuy88 » March 16th, 2018, 5:12 am

Yeah

It will hurt you if you don’t hold onto it especially shooting your off hand side.

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Re: Lightweight gun weights

Post by Spuriosity » March 16th, 2018, 6:33 am

My 12 ga Beretta 686 UL O/U with 28" barrels is listed at 5 lb, 14 oz, but mine weighs 6 lbs - really light for a 12 ga.

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Re: Lightweight gun weights

Post by GLS » March 17th, 2018, 7:52 am

Yildiz single-shot .410 with Burris FFIII: 3 lbs, 4.5 oz.
Baikal MP18 single-shot 20 ga. with FFIII: 5 lbs., 6.7 oz. (Styrene stock and forend)
Baikal MP18 single-shot .410 with Docter 5 lbs, 11.9 oz.(wood stock and forend)
Mossberg Super Bantam 20 ga. with Trijicon Reflex 6 lbs., 8.6 oz.
Potentials:
Beretta 412 single-shot 20 ga. 4 lbs., 13 oz.
CZ Bobwhite SXS 28 ga. 5lbs., 3 oz.
Savage 220A 20 ga. single-shot 5 lbs., 0.5 oz.
Savage 220D 16 ga. single-shot 5 lbs., 9.9 oz.
Savage 220B .410 single-shot 5 lbs., 13 oz.
Baikal MP18 20 ga. 5 lbs., 10.8 oz. (wood stock and forend)

The Savages are the earlier made break-open actions and not the current bolt actions. How is that the smallest bore .410 weighs more than the 16 and 20 gauges? The actions aren't scaled. To keep the .410 chamber centered on the firing pin, the walls of the chamber are .3" thick and the chamber tapers quickly downward to the barrel. There is more steel in the .410 barrel than the 20 and 16 gauges. On my potentials, the Bobwhite is a possible for drilling and tapping. I have the Skinner sight and post in hand. Just undecided on the need to do it. The Beretta may able to shoot without modifying for a red dot. I have an idea for coinciding POA/POI without additional sights. If it works, I'll post results. Gil

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Re: Lightweight gun weights

Post by howl » March 17th, 2018, 10:30 am

Those Bobwhites with the peep set up look sharp. Do it. Do it.

Franklin's in Athens had a .410 Bobwhite as of last week, btw.

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Re: Lightweight gun weights

Post by 2Shooter » March 18th, 2018, 7:49 am

GLS wrote:
March 17th, 2018, 7:52 am
Yildiz single-shot .410 with Burris FFIII: 3 lbs, 4.5 oz.
Baikal MP18 single-shot 20 ga. with FFIII: 5 lbs., 6.7 oz. (Styrene stock and forend)
Baikal MP18 single-shot .410 with Docter 5 lbs, 11.9 oz.(wood stock and forend)
Mossberg Super Bantam 20 ga. with Trijicon Reflex 6 lbs., 8.6 oz.
Potentials:
Beretta 412 single-shot 20 ga. 4 lbs., 13 oz.
CZ Bobwhite SXS 28 ga. 5lbs., 3 oz.
Savage 220A 20 ga. single-shot 5 lbs., 0.5 oz.
Savage 220D 16 ga. single-shot 5 lbs., 9.9 oz.
Savage 220B .410 single-shot 5 lbs., 13 oz.
Baikal MP18 20 ga. 5 lbs., 10.8 oz. (wood stock and forend)

The Savages are the earlier made break-open actions and not the current bolt actions. How is that the smallest bore .410 weighs more than the 16 and 20 gauges? The actions aren't scaled. To keep the .410 chamber centered on the firing pin, the walls of the chamber are .3" thick and the chamber tapers quickly downward to the barrel. There is more steel in the .410 barrel than the 20 and 16 gauges. On my potentials, the Bobwhite is a possible for drilling and tapping. I have the Skinner sight and post in hand. Just undecided on the need to do it. The Beretta may able to shoot without modifying for a red dot. I have an idea for coinciding POA/POI without additional sights. If it works, I'll post results. Gil
Sounds like that CZ Bobwhite SXS 28ga would be to much trouble for you, so I will take it off your hands!!! :D

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Re: Lightweight gun weights

Post by GLS » March 18th, 2018, 7:56 am

Steve, I appreciate the generous offer, but I enjoy it on dove early season and occasionally use it over my dogs for woodcock and quail. But thanks anyway. ;) Gil

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Re: Lightweight gun weights

Post by Turkinator » March 18th, 2018, 8:40 am

GLS, does the 220 Stevens have enough barrel thickness to do choke tubes?

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Re: Lightweight gun weights

Post by GLS » March 18th, 2018, 10:21 am

These are Savage 220s as they are marked. While Stevens and Savage merged in 1920, the Savage name was used until much later after these guns were made. As for muzzle thickness, in 20 gauge full, the muzzle thickness is .078" or very thin and remember, this is with constriction over the bore diameter. I think those that do thread it, reduce barrel length which should increase wall thickness as one moves closer to the chamber. For comparison, the Baikal MP18's muzzle is .011" wall thickness with a full choke. Here's a comparison photo below. My 16 gauge 220D has a wall thickness at muzzle of .100" . It is full, but I don't know the bore OD. I don't have a bore gauge or barrel thickness measuring device. I would be careful choking thin walled guns. I have seen 220 in 12, 20 and 16 successfully choke tubed. I haven't seen 28 or .410 but know of no reason that they couldn't be choke tubed.

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Re: Lightweight gun weights

Post by howl » May 15th, 2018, 9:13 pm

Stevens 555 28ga 26" 5.1# Others have reported those as lighter, but that's what I got on the scale.

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Re: Lightweight gun weights

Post by turkeyinstrut » May 16th, 2018, 7:38 am

howl wrote:
May 15th, 2018, 9:13 pm
Stevens 555 28ga 26" 5.1# Others have reported those as lighter, but that's what I got on the scale.
Howl

I think the wood density plays the biggest roll in weight differences of guns of the same make and model.

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Re: Lightweight gun weights

Post by howl » May 16th, 2018, 9:20 am

That and recoil pads. If earlier version had a thin butt pad, then that big hunk of rubber on the one I weighed would account for a difference.

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Re: Lightweight gun weights

Post by toasty » May 16th, 2018, 2:23 pm

howl wrote:
May 15th, 2018, 9:13 pm
Stevens 555 28ga 26" 5.1# Others have reported those as lighter, but that's what I got on the scale.

Stevens 555 Silver 26" - 4lbs 13oz
Ben UL28ga 26" - 5lbs 3oz
Weatherby SA08 28ga 28"- 5lbs 15oz
ATI Cavalry 28ga 26" (same as 555) - 5lbs Even
Benelli Montefeltro 20ga 26" - 5lbs 13oz
Yilidiz 410 single - 3lbs 4oz


Everything over 6lbs is considered heavy in my book and has been sold or doesn't ever get used.

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Re: Lightweight gun weights

Post by poorcountrypreacher » May 16th, 2018, 4:27 pm

My Yildiz 20 gauge sxs weighs 5 lb 6 oz. The Ugartechea sxs weighs 6 lbs 1 oz. All my 12 gauge guns are in retirement as far as turkey hunting.

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Re: Lightweight gun weights

Post by gaswamp » May 17th, 2018, 5:43 am

Gil, you need to let me take those Savage 220 16 and 20 off your hands.

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Re: Lightweight gun weights

Post by GLS » May 17th, 2018, 6:23 am

gaswamp wrote:
May 17th, 2018, 5:43 am
Gil, you need to let me take those Savage 220 16 and 20 off your hands.
Joe, at the appropriate time, contact the Executrix of my estate. ;) Gil

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Re: Lightweight gun weights

Post by gaswamp » May 17th, 2018, 6:27 am

GLS wrote:
May 17th, 2018, 6:23 am
gaswamp wrote:
May 17th, 2018, 5:43 am
Gil, you need to let me take those Savage 220 16 and 20 off your hands.
Joe, at the appropriate time, contact the Executrix of my estate. ;) Gil
:LMAO: :LMAO:

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Re: Lightweight gun weights

Post by CB on the run » May 17th, 2018, 12:49 pm

2017 Fall bird.jpg
The Savage 220A is nice and light!

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Re: Lightweight gun weights

Post by Hayudog » May 18th, 2018, 2:32 pm

In response to choke tubing a gun, the first thing to do is reload a couple TSS shells and run them through the original choke. My old single shot Savage 220 runs 230 at 4o yards. That’s going to make them dead enough for me.

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