20ga vs 28ga. Let's get real boys
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20ga vs 28ga. Let's get real boys
Seein so many 28ga kills has really intrigued me on that gun. But I know zilch about them. Never even seen a shell before.
But for some Reason I feel a little under gunned with a 28 even knowing nothing about them so I'm leaning toward a 20. It will be a straight up turkey gun. I want you boys to lay it on me here and convince me 1 way or the other. Shooter doc and the rest of you I want you boys sing ya guts here. Tell me the down and dirty
I'm Really liking the looks of the franchi guns but Of course Half to look at 28 In a browning just cuz I like browning.
But for some Reason I feel a little under gunned with a 28 even knowing nothing about them so I'm leaning toward a 20. It will be a straight up turkey gun. I want you boys to lay it on me here and convince me 1 way or the other. Shooter doc and the rest of you I want you boys sing ya guts here. Tell me the down and dirty
I'm Really liking the looks of the franchi guns but Of course Half to look at 28 In a browning just cuz I like browning.
Re: 20ga vs 28ga. Let's get real boys
keep in mind a #7 hevishot pellet going 1200 fps out of a 28 gauge will hit with EXACTLY the same authority as a #7 hevishot pellet going 1200 fps out of a 10 gauge.
the only real difference between the two, is a 10 gauge shell has substantially more pellets.
same goes for a 1 ounce slug out of a 20ga vs a 12ga rifled deer slug gun, if they both fling it 1900 fps terminal performance is identical.
the only real difference between the two, is a 10 gauge shell has substantially more pellets.
same goes for a 1 ounce slug out of a 20ga vs a 12ga rifled deer slug gun, if they both fling it 1900 fps terminal performance is identical.
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20ga vs 28ga. Let's get real boys
So pellet count in the hull is the only downfall.
Re: 20ga vs 28ga. Let's get real boys
Exactly.
One can stuff nearly 3 ounces of hevishot in a 10 ga shell, but not even 1.5 ounces in a 28 ga.
a 10ga shell holds more than a 12, which holds more than a 16, which holds more then a 20, which holds more than a 28.
A good handloader can see to it that those pellets travel about the same speed out of any one of those gauges.
Don't equate gauge with killing "power", it just isn't the case.
Behavior of a pellet column within different bore sizes also plays a role, but that's a different topic.
One can stuff nearly 3 ounces of hevishot in a 10 ga shell, but not even 1.5 ounces in a 28 ga.
a 10ga shell holds more than a 12, which holds more than a 16, which holds more then a 20, which holds more than a 28.
A good handloader can see to it that those pellets travel about the same speed out of any one of those gauges.
Don't equate gauge with killing "power", it just isn't the case.
Behavior of a pellet column within different bore sizes also plays a role, but that's a different topic.
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Re: 20ga vs 28ga. Let's get real boys
Totally depends on how the 20 and the 28 ga are loaded.
28 ga loaded with 1-5/16 oz load of TSS 9-1/2s going 1000 fps MV:
*551 pellets which give 1.25" ball. gel. penetration at 57.7 yds
20 ga loaded with 1-1/4 oz of hevi-13 7s going 1090 fps MV:
*343 pellets with give 1.25" ball. gel. penetration at 45 yds
20 ga loaded with 1-5/8 oz of TSS 9s going 1093 fps MV:
*630 pellets with give 1.25" ball. gel. penetration at 65.7 yds
(assuming sea level and 32 deg F)
28 ga loaded with 1-5/16 oz load of TSS 9-1/2s going 1000 fps MV:
*551 pellets which give 1.25" ball. gel. penetration at 57.7 yds
20 ga loaded with 1-1/4 oz of hevi-13 7s going 1090 fps MV:
*343 pellets with give 1.25" ball. gel. penetration at 45 yds
20 ga loaded with 1-5/8 oz of TSS 9s going 1093 fps MV:
*630 pellets with give 1.25" ball. gel. penetration at 65.7 yds
(assuming sea level and 32 deg F)
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Looks like the 28 is a solid 50 yard turkey gun?hawglips wrote:Totally depends on how the 20 and the 28 ga are loaded.
28 ga loaded with 1-5/16 oz load of TSS 9-1/2s going 1000 fps MV:
*551 pellets which give 1.25" ball. gel. penetration at 57.7 yds
20 ga loaded with 1-1/4 oz of hevi-13 7s going 1090 fps MV:
*343 pellets with give 1.25" ball. gel. penetration at 45 yds
20 ga loaded with 1-5/8 oz of TSS 9s going 1093 fps MV:
*630 pellets with give 1.25" ball. gel. penetration at 65.7 yds
(assuming sea level and 32 deg F)
Re: 20ga vs 28ga. Let's get real boys
comparing TSS 9s with HS 7s could be confusing to a novice in this arena of Hal's expertise.
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Re: 20ga vs 28ga. Let's get real boys
The 28, loaded with 9's or 9.5's, is surely a solid 50 yard gun, no doubt about it. I've certainly never felt under-gunned. I love mine and will shoot it as long as I can buy TSS, but I don't know that there is any advantage to shooting it over the 20. Sure, it's light, but so is my M2. If you are willing to commit to being a hand-loader, the 28 is all the gun you need. The problem is, if you don't like hand loading, or don't have the time.....you're S.O.L. for a factory load. Not so with the 20. The 28 is my choice, it's all you need, but I really do enjoy the loading aspect.
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I will be slingn TSS out of the next gun I buy which I believe will Happen next Month.
Really like the franchi al48 looks but may have a hook up on a browning 28 too and I likey them.
I will possibly have it camo'd up and Will top It with I assume a spead bead
Really like the franchi al48 looks but may have a hook up on a browning 28 too and I likey them.
I will possibly have it camo'd up and Will top It with I assume a spead bead
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Re: 20ga vs 28ga. Let's get real boys
A BPS?? They're nice but.....that thing weighs 7lbs.
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Was thinkn auto but thats wat will keep me away is the weight
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Re: 20ga vs 28ga. Let's get real boys
He want listen. It's like talking to a wall. Bps are well built and I would argue that Brownings put up the tightest patterns but what's the point in dropping to the smaller gauges if you're still packing 12ga weight. 28ga I would go with a o/u built on an actual 28ga frame or an al48 in auto.Waddle Whacker wrote:A BPS?? They're nice but.....that thing weighs 7lbs.
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Re: 20ga vs 28ga. Let's get real boys
Nah, little sxs is the way to go. I love my BPS 28 but haven't turkey hunted w/it.
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Re: 20ga vs 28ga. Let's get real boys
In general terms, with TSS, the .410 is a 40 yd gun, the 28 is a 50 yd gun, and the 20 is a 60 yd gun, due to pellet numbers. Would not want to carry any sub 12 ga gun that weighed over 6 lbs.
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Re: 20ga vs 28ga. Let's get real boys
CZ makes nice O/U and SxS's on true 28 gauge frames at very reasonable prices. I have the Woodcock, beautiful little gun, but prefer shooting the Franchi.
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Re: 20ga vs 28ga. Let's get real boys
Both are very nice turkey guns.Waddle Whacker wrote: I have the Woodcock, beautiful little gun, but prefer shooting the Franchi.
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Turkey slayer sent me a link to a nice o/u but I assume you gotta flip a button or something to make that switch. You fellas don't know Me Very well. I get tore to pieces when a bird is in tight on me. I need the most ease of a gun I can get. So franchi will Be my way to go. I'd forget to flip the button or switch to change barrels or if it had double triggers I'd pull the same one 2-3-4-5 times.
I will hopefully die when I'm old setting against a Tree working a turkey and just have a heart attack and die right there. That would be my way to go. It tears me up that bad when they are in my face gobbling.
I will hopefully die when I'm old setting against a Tree working a turkey and just have a heart attack and die right there. That would be my way to go. It tears me up that bad when they are in my face gobbling.
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Spuriosity wrote:In general terms, with TSS, the .410 is a 40 yd gun, the 28 is a 50 yd gun, and the 20 is a 60 yd gun, due to pellet numbers. Would not want to carry any sub 12 ga gun that weighed over 6 lbs.
Thanks for that post. Good way to put it
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So since I'm After
The franchi. Is there any type of options to choose on the gun like camo black wood blued pistol Grip all that stuff. All I'm Aware Of hearing you guys talk is franchi Al48.
The franchi. Is there any type of options to choose on the gun like camo black wood blued pistol Grip all that stuff. All I'm Aware Of hearing you guys talk is franchi Al48.
Re: 20ga vs 28ga. Let's get real boys
Makes no difference to me which or what you go with, but I would look at a 20 over a 28 for one reason, if for what ever reason you need to buy shells, 20 ga will give you a lot more options.
If your looking light, there is only .2 lbs between these two Benelli Ultra lites.
http://www.benelliusa.com/ultra-light-shotgun
If your looking light, there is only .2 lbs between these two Benelli Ultra lites.
http://www.benelliusa.com/ultra-light-shotgun
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Re: 20ga vs 28ga. Let's get real boys
Spuriosity wrote:In general terms, with TSS, the .410 is a 40 yd gun, the 28 is a 50 yd gun, and the 20 is a 60 yd gun, due to pellet numbers. Would not want to carry any sub 12 ga gun that weighed over 6 lbs.
does that make the 12 a 70yd gun?
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That's a beautiful piece. But looks lil outta my price range.pullit wrote:Makes no difference to me which or what you go with, but I would look at a 20 over a 28 for one reason, if for what ever reason you need to buy shells, 20 ga will give you a lot more options.
If your looking light, there is only .2 lbs between these two Benelli Ultra lites.
http://www.benelliusa.com/ultra-light-shotgun
Re: 20ga vs 28ga. Let's get real boys
I have a cz sxs in 20ga with double triggers. If my state allowed the use of anything smaller I would have went the 28ga.
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Re: 20ga vs 28ga. Let's get real boys
I don't know what to tell ya, Stumpy. I personally ain't going any smaller than a 20. I have not looked at any of the 28s.
Sorry, can't help you much on this one.
Sorry, can't help you much on this one.
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Why will you personally not Go below a 20 shooter?Shooter wrote:I don't know what to tell ya, Stumpy. I personally ain't going any smaller than a 20. I have not looked at any of the 28s.
Sorry, can't help you much on this one.